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Thinking about it, if Maximillian (I'm assuming that he's the Imperial theatre commander) had a particular objective that he wanted to capture intact, then his best bet would have been to destroy the Gallian military quickly, before it had a chance to mobilize the Militia. A Deep Battle operation should suffice seeing that Gallia doesn't seem to have the strategic depth to counter it. My point is a bit more directed than that. How would the Regulars go about replacing the losses they took trying to capture that bridge or the supply base? It's not as if there's going to be extra bodies of trained soldiers just sitting around. I do see what the creators are trying to portray, but I can't see it holding up to much scrutiny.
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I think that during WWII, USA and France military technology are quite a bit behind in most part comparatively to Germany. Their tank design are all toward small tanks and aren't very mobile...It is not till after the 1942 that USA really begin to develop some really good weapons and technology. Russia's military is practically gutted by Stalin so they are woefully inexperienced at the beginning. In term of VCweaponry. small arms are design along the lines that Gallian focus a bit more on accuracy where Imperial focus more on pure attacking power. Gallian's tank are pathetic excuse for tanks..they armor and firepower are probably on par with Imperial light tank, but anything bigger med. Heavy, Tank destroy will swept through them no problem. Well, in term of their offense during the game...they first try to seize the bridge for a quick victory, but since that failed and the majority of their force is now across the river defending the capital. any river crossing assault would likely prove too costly. So Maximilian decides to shift his attention north to capture fouzen to secure a supply of ragnite while at the same time cripple the Gallian military. Fouzen didn't fall till later and in episode 8 of the anime, so while Empire swept through the border and the open ground..they are still pushing against the lines Even though Gallian is in danger...Damon concerns himself more with personal honor and gain than the actual danger. It's quite clear if you play the game and I think int he Anime that he just want to reg. Military to take all the credit. The Gallian army have 80,000 man..the loss at vasel bridge and at Kloden probably number thousands at best...since Empire uses blitzkrieg tactics..there isn't much war of attrition so both side still have most of their forces. Although I think the reg militia high-ranked officers are the one with the attitude. |
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On a bit of an off note, the French tanks are notable for having poor ergonomics, especially with undermanned turrets. This is a similar problem that Edelweiss faces if the only crew are Isara and Welkin (who the heck is manning the turret when Welkin isn't buttoned-up?). Quote:
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On top of that, successful blitzkrieg operations will inflict more casualties on the defender quickly than attritional warfare would (and potentially incur more casualties for the attacker as well). Overall, attritional warfare operation generally have more casualties in comparison, but only because their length is measured in months rather than the weeks of blitzkrieg maneuvers. If Maximillian is doing well as he was posited to, then the Gallian forces would have suffered heavy losses as their front line formations get depleted rapidly. As such, there should be a lot of pressure for the Gallian high command to make up their losses. Even if the Empire wasn't utilizing blitzkrieg, Gallia should still have to deal with this problem unless the war is extremely quiet - any high-intensity conflict will see something like an 80,000 strong force get whittled down in short order. And really, the Imperial attack doesn't resemble the German blitzkrieg very much in the first place. Blitzkrieg is characterized by a fast tempo of operation, with quick advances of mechanized forces behind the main defensive lines. We haven't seen any of that directly, nor have we seen the effects that such an attack should engender. Instead, we're seeing largely positional posturing and more limited offensive moves. Heck, the front is so calm that Squad 7 doesn't even have to occupy a position opposite Imperial positions, and both sides are free enough that they can spend time doing sight-seeing and so forth.
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Well that's primarily because the anime majorly screwed things up.
Vasel Bridge had multiple Light Tank Companies stationed on/around it. During the game mission, there are about... ~10 to 20 inactive tanks and four crewed ones. There were ragnarite fuel storage cells everywhere. Basically, it looked exactly like you would expect the end result of a blitzkreig offensive to be when they had reached their primary objective. Heck, the only reason Squad 7 survived was because when they captured the bridge, they opened it... and dumped another light tank company into the river. So yeah. The anime wasn't a blitz, but the game certainly had it. And the end result of the game was that the Imperials got a very, very, very bloody nose from it, so altered their plans. |
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I'm a lot less concerned with how many casualties the Gallians are depicted as suffering. I always go under the assumption that we're only seeing a snapshot of the larger operations, so what shows up in the anime isn't that big a deal. What is a big deal to me is how the characters are depicted compared to the situation they're supposedly in. If Gallia was on the verge of losing this war, or if they're in somewhat dire straits, then I expect that to be reflected by the characters' actions and responses. That attack on the supply depot would have to be one of the very few counterattacks that Gallia could pull off in that case, and some sense of desperation is called for. Since we didn't get any of that, it makes it looks as if Gallia isn't in any danger at all, and given the size of the country, one would have to wonder at why Maximillian is posited as some sort of military genius.
As for the game showing the Imperials taking a beating at the end, that's sort of an obvious outcome .
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You missed my point. The Imperials lost a hell of a lot of tanks and men in one operation at the Vassel Bridge. That was what I meant by their bloody nose. A loss of that size would make nearly any commander sit up and go "... right, well, that tactic didn't go so well. Bring me the drawing board!"
Besides, one of the features of the game is that it's being told from the perspective of someone reading a novel regarding events that happened quite some time ago. I suppose it's only typical then that it would lack the sense of urgency that should exist. |
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That explanation doesn't work at all. I read accounts of what it's like to be on the receiving end of a blitzkreig all the time, and the effects are devastating even for accounts written hundreds of kilometers away from the action.
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Interestingly enough, the nation next to what is supposedly Poland does not say Germany or anything resembling Germany in other languages.
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After all, it should be noted that the name Welkin Gunther was based on the historical character of Vercingetorix (werkiŋˈɡetoriks), while Alicia was based on the famous siege of Alesia, where the king of Gaul finally surrendered to Julius. - Tak
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It ties in with the country being called Gallia and all. |
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Since we speak of Gallia as where this country might stand in that fictional portrayal of Europe, it's quite difficult to determine exactly where since there's a desert popping out of nowhere in episode 8. However, I wouldn't be surprised if Gallia took its main inspiration from France (for its royal court, with a Richelieu-like prime minister) and Germany (mainly the villages and other scenery). Meanwhile, I wonder how come we haven't seen much of the Western Federation forces. I would sure want to see them to give myself an idea of what country they were inspired from. |
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Moved posts about Maximillian to http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?t=82277 as they're mostly about him, and his thread was looking a bit lonely.
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