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Soji · 2012-06-09, 08:21

NeutralZero@ I see you're point and I agree. Though even if they do something nice/good this don't change the life they already take or how they take this life. Is like the Night Raider say to Tatsumi in ch 2.
Though is hard to see them like this knowing what they do. Think about Seyrou(is that how you wrote her name?).Like you guys say she just a justice freak that think to be in the right when she is in the wrong. If I had to put Her Kurome and Esdes in a list on who is worse would be something like this.
1 Justice freak
2 Esdes
3 Kurome
At least from what we know until now. And i think this talk volume on what i think about the little girl.

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Shadow5YA · 2012-06-09, 10:51

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Originally Posted by Soji

NeutralZero@ I see you're point and I agree. Though even if they do something nice/good this don't change the life they already take or how they take this life. Is like the Night Raider say to Tatsumi in ch 2.

This applies to the Night Raid as well. No one in this series is ultimately "good". The parallels between Tatsumi and Wave make it obvious. Despite Wave being on a different side, he is still very similar to Tatsumi.

ReaperxKingx · 2012-06-09, 10:57

Well killing is killing, doesn't matter if it is to protect someone or for (shudders) enjoyment. You have taken a life, simple as that. Esdes really do love Tatsumi, even hearing of his betrayal and when she found him again she still didn't kill him. Tasumi would have tried to kill Esdes if he could or is he thinking she can change.

Soji · 2012-06-09, 10:57

Shadow5YA@ Yeah that's why I point out what Nigth Raider say to Tatsumi. The only difference is how they kill and how they enjoy. Like we see Kurome or how Esdes enjoy torture her enemy. Though the worse is Justice girl.
Reaper@ We already talk about why Tatsumi don't try to kill Esdes. Like I say don't matter how cute she is she do to many bad thing. And because her lv of power and what she have done until now she deserve to die. Also more I see her suppose love more i think is like a Fangirls.

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even hearing of his betrayal

Also this is wrong o.O

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Shadow5YA · 2012-06-09, 11:06

Well, nearly every named character in this series deserves to die because they're all responsible for killing at least one person.

That doesn't mean I can't wish them happiness though.

ReaperxKingx · 2012-06-09, 11:11

So far Tatsumi been kissed twice by Esdes both by her, I am pretty open minded when it comes to changing people. Esdes crime is the killing and torture of 400,000 people which is more than enough to condemn her death. As someone pointed out before, usually the way to repay one sins is to help society for the rest of their life. If one shows change and potential, it is a kind of a waste to just kill them. All things aside, I really want to read more. Quite a shame it is only monthly, though the popularity is quite big. Not as big as another monthly Manga like Rosario+Vampire, but overall can wait to read more of it.

Shadow5YA · 2012-06-09, 11:18

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Originally Posted by ReaperxKingx

So far Tatsumi been kissed twice by Esdes both by her, I am pretty open minded when it comes to changing people. Esdes crime is the killing and torture of 400,000 people which is more than enough to condemn her death. As someone pointed out before, usually the way to repay one sins is to help society for the rest of their life. If one shows change and potential, it is a kind of a waste to just kill them. All things aside, I really want to read more. Quite a shame it is only monthly, though the popularity is quite big. Not as big as another monthly Manga like Rosario+Vampire, but overall can wait to read more of it.

Yeah, but then again so is the Night Raid boss and Akame. Like I said, everyone can be condemned to death, even those on Tatsumi's side. However, it doesn't mean I can't wish them happiness either way.

Soji · 2012-06-09, 11:23

Reaper @ I get you're point and I can agree with that. but not to make her a saint like some people in other forum do. Also if you remember i do say

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Also from what I understand about her character is like that everything she want she will get it.Think about her love toward Tatsumi seem to me that she think that is enough that she love him.

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Shadow5YA@ And I agree here. But Akame ,Tatsumi and the Boss from what i know they really don't like Kill. They do this because they had to. look the way Akame kill she kill most of the time in one hit or in a way that they die quick and without torture them. Esdes and Kurome on the other hand(from what we know). Well you get the point.

Valky · 2012-06-09, 19:00

I just read this series, have to say it's quite gore but it's good so far, though I kinda pity the dead of the scissor nee-can ..

How many RAW chapters are out atm, btw?

Soji · 2012-06-09, 19:01

Valky @ 26 ch . 27 this month.

Valky · 2012-06-09, 19:04

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Originally Posted by Soji

Valky @ 26 ch . 27 this month.

I see, so the scanlation is still far behind around 11-12 chapters. Well, they're really fast so I'm grateful for it.

btw, ty.

NeutralZero · 2012-06-09, 19:18

Esdes saint like?
Hahahah... that will be the day...
As much as we want to but this manga has a tragedy tag so death and misfortune of anyone is to expect... as much as we want to...
One of the few reason his persuasion didn't work on her would be her pride... as seen in 12/13, her conversion with him... and from fatso's comment...
In case of Kuro and Esdes way of killing, Kuro's the worst in our point
She plays with the corpse body... enough...
Indeed Esdes is a sadist but in the battlefield she always as much as possible go for the one hit KO like Akame if we are to consider c24, 25 and 26... from what we see the very least...
Her brutal method only exist within the torture chamber or during her 'spoils of war'
Wherein the victor could do anything to the losing side... its a one stone two bird hit.
She can satisfy her s side while fueling their passion further to satisfy her battle freak side... in the near future but that happen before Tatsumi...
We're partially ok if Esdes is to die, its a given considering its her but it will be like this as long as pet girl obtain the worst death ever...

Soji · 2012-06-09, 19:31

NeutralZero@ If we go with this reasoning ....I have totaly agree with you about Esdes even if I don't like her sadic side(the thing you say and point out).
About Kuro(....can we call her in another way?XD This name make me think you talk with me .because Kuro is one user name that i have on another forum

) ....anyway about her you are right . And she really make you freaking out. I mean she sing and said that *the human body sure are fun* i start to understand why Akame say that way.
If i have to say what I aspect in the future is something like this(after thought this better).

Spoiler for Character death.:

Though even if Esdes die we know full well that some one strong like her will come.

NeutralZero · 2012-06-09, 19:46

I see... we're not going to call her Kuro anymore...
We can agree with that notion except of pet girl/justice girl...
She'll die a quick death with them...
While we want her to die in the most gruesome way possible... she's the only character we've known so far that push us beyond our 'as much as possible neutrality' and go bias...
Those monstrosity in 26 or just any hazard type monster should do the killing even if by doing so will not make Tatsumi and the very most Main avange scissor girl's death...

ReaperxKingx · 2012-06-09, 19:52

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Originally Posted by NeutralZero

I see... we're not going to call her Kuro anymore...
We can agree with that notion except of pet girl/justice girl...
She'll die a quick death with them...
While we want her to die in the most gruesome way possible... she's the only character we've known so far that push us beyond our 'as much as possible neutrality' and go bias...
Those monstrosity in 26 or just any hazard type monster should do the killing even if by doing so will not make Tatsumi and the very most Main avange scissor girl's death...

I agree with you and Soji that the Justice Girl has to die. Being blinded to kill in my opinion is worse than someone with the intention of killing. As for Kurome, I already said she was the worst among killers. Judging by her appearance she is maybe 14 years and she is killing people then treating them like Barbie Dolls. At least Esdes is willing to kill someone without suffering when she fights them although a little bit brutal.

Soji · 2012-06-09, 20:02

NeutralZero@Thanks.
Anyway I agree with you about Justice girl. You don't know how much i want that her death happen like you say....but i'm pretty sure will be one of them.There is some foreshadowing about this and if....

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Also i just realize one thing.Remember one of the point in Esdes list ? She said something about hunting risking specie with her.

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NeutralZero · 2012-06-10, 08:21

Spoiler for hunting...:

Soji · 2012-06-10, 08:29

NeutralZero@

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Iron Maw · 2012-06-10, 08:31

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Originally Posted by Shadow5YA

Yeah, but then again so is the Night Raid boss and Akame. Like I said, everyone can be condemned to death, even those on Tatsumi's side. However, it doesn't mean I can't wish them happiness either way.

I'm pretty much in agreement with Shadow as well.

On another topic, something I've been wondering about for a while now, but the manga has only touched briefly and that's character ages. Anyone want to take a guess?

My view based on appearance, personality and info in manga.

Nightraid

Tatsumi: 16-17
Akame: The same, according to Tatsumi.
Leone: 19-22
Mein/Main: 15-16 (Looks just a little younger than Tatsumi)
Schere: 24-26
Braht: Early 30s
Rabac/Raba: 17-18
The Boss (Najenhza/Najenda): Mid 30s

Jaeger

Wave: 18-20
Ran: Same as Wave if not slightly older.
Kurome: 14-16
Seiyruu: 16-17
Bors: Mid-Late 30s possibly (hard to tell with that mask on)
Dr. Stylish: Mid 30s
Esdese: Probably around Mid 20s

Others

PM: 40-60s
Emperor Makoto: 12-14 (younger enough to manipulated, order enough have some decision making powers)
River: Late 30s-40s
Nyau: 16-17
Daidara: Mid 30s

NeutralZero · 2012-06-10, 08:32

Spoiler for hunting with Leone:

2012-06-09, 08:21	Link #401
Soji Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Europe	NeutralZero@ I see you're point and I agree. Though even if they do something nice/good this don't change the life they already take or how they take this life. Is like the Night Raider say to Tatsumi in ch 2. Though is hard to see them like this knowing what they do. Think about Seyrou(is that how you wrote her name?).Like you guys say she just a justice freak that think to be in the right when she is in the wrong. If I had to put Her Kurome and Esdes in a list on who is worse would be something like this. 1 Justice freak 2 Esdes 3 Kurome At least from what we know until now. And i think this talk volume on what i think about the little girl. Spoiler for spoiler: I start to wonder if Wave and Kurome don't have chance to switch side. About Esdes i still think she will die soon with all the death flag she had and her lv of power.Though i hope we see justice freak die before her. Also why i get this feeling that Esdes will die this ch or next? And Night Raider /Tatsumi will be blame even more ?(i can't shake this feeling). After re-read the text of ch 26 on MH.

2012-06-09, 11:23	Link #408
Soji Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Europe	Reaper @ I get you're point and I can agree with that. but not to make her a saint like some people in other forum do. Also if you remember i do say Spoiler for spoiler: That Tatsumi was smart enough to try to make her swich side. And if I dislike something like this I would say that he was stupid to try ...right?. Thought I still think she will end death. Also from what I understand about her character is like that everything she want she will get it.Think about her love toward Tatsumi seem to me that she think that is enough that she love him. Spoiler for spoiler: Though I had to admit that she act better that I thought she would.But i do hope she learn that the other persone have to love her as well to work. Shadow5YA@ And I agree here. But Akame ,Tatsumi and the Boss from what i know they really don't like Kill. They do this because they had to. look the way Akame kill she kill most of the time in one hit or in a way that they die quick and without torture them. Esdes and Kurome on the other hand(from what we know). Well you get the point.

2012-06-09, 19:00	Link #409
Valky Radioactive Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: The Big Durian	I just read this series, have to say it's quite gore but it's good so far, though I kinda pity the dead of the scissor nee-can .. How many RAW chapters are out atm, btw? __________________

2012-06-09, 19:18	Link #412
NeutralZero Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Earth	Esdes saint like? Hahahah... that will be the day... As much as we want to but this manga has a tragedy tag so death and misfortune of anyone is to expect... as much as we want to... One of the few reason his persuasion didn't work on her would be her pride... as seen in 12/13, her conversion with him... and from fatso's comment... In case of Kuro and Esdes way of killing, Kuro's the worst in our point She plays with the corpse body... enough... Indeed Esdes is a sadist but in the battlefield she always as much as possible go for the one hit KO like Akame if we are to consider c24, 25 and 26... from what we see the very least... Her brutal method only exist within the torture chamber or during her 'spoils of war' Wherein the victor could do anything to the losing side... its a one stone two bird hit. She can satisfy her s side while fueling their passion further to satisfy her battle freak side... in the near future but that happen before Tatsumi... We're partially ok if Esdes is to die, its a given considering its her but it will be like this as long as pet girl obtain the worst death ever... Last edited by NeutralZero; 2012-06-09 at 19:36. Reason: wrong use of word

2012-06-09, 19:31	Link #413
Soji Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Europe	NeutralZero@ If we go with this reasoning ....I have totaly agree with you about Esdes even if I don't like her sadic side(the thing you say and point out). About Kuro(....can we call her in another way?XD This name make me think you talk with me .because Kuro is one user name that i have on another forum) ....anyway about her you are right . And she really make you freaking out. I mean she sing and said that the human body sure are fun i start to understand why Akame say that way. If i have to say what I aspect in the future is something like this(after thought this better). Spoiler for Character death.: I change my mind about Esdes. I can see her die in a sacrifice way. Probaly for tatsumi. (and i still have this feeling that will happen soon if i'm right). Wave = for some reason I can see him switch side. Otherwise he die in a fight with some one(probaly tatsumi rematch). Justice girl= I can see her being kill by Tatsumi and/or Akame because this 2 are the one that. Tatsumi have kill the Ogre while Akame give the kill blow a the doctor (though that one was more or less a combo Tatsumi + Akame in the end).Though Main can be another choice to kill her .Then again her teigu + her. i supose That will be Tatsumi +Akame or Tatsumi + Main. But i can see her try to take down Tatsumi if she find out about the Ogre event. Kurome = She probaly die by Akame hand....though I can see her die by Tatsumi hand because his teigu. (and if she do something stupid). Though even if Esdes die we know full well that some one strong like her will come. Last edited by Soji; 2012-06-09 at 19:50.

2012-06-09, 10:57	Link #403
ReaperxKingx Emperor of the Expected Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Florida	Well killing is killing, doesn't matter if it is to protect someone or for (shudders) enjoyment. You have taken a life, simple as that. Esdes really do love Tatsumi, even hearing of his betrayal and when she found him again she still didn't kill him. Tasumi would have tried to kill Esdes if he could or is he thinking she can change.

2012-06-09, 11:06	Link #405
Shadow5YA Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2010	Well, nearly every named character in this series deserves to die because they're all responsible for killing at least one person. That doesn't mean I can't wish them happiness though.

2012-06-09, 11:11	Link #406
ReaperxKingx Emperor of the Expected Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Florida	So far Tatsumi been kissed twice by Esdes both by her, I am pretty open minded when it comes to changing people. Esdes crime is the killing and torture of 400,000 people which is more than enough to condemn her death. As someone pointed out before, usually the way to repay one sins is to help society for the rest of their life. If one shows change and potential, it is a kind of a waste to just kill them. All things aside, I really want to read more. Quite a shame it is only monthly, though the popularity is quite big. Not as big as another monthly Manga like Rosario+Vampire, but overall can wait to read more of it.

2012-06-09, 19:01	Link #410
Soji Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Europe	Valky @ 26 ch . 27 this month.

2012-06-09, 19:46	Link #414
NeutralZero Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Earth	I see... we're not going to call her Kuro anymore... We can agree with that notion except of pet girl/justice girl... She'll die a quick death with them... While we want her to die in the most gruesome way possible... she's the only character we've known so far that push us beyond our 'as much as possible neutrality' and go bias... Those monstrosity in 26 or just any hazard type monster should do the killing even if by doing so will not make Tatsumi and the very most Main avange scissor girl's death...

2012-06-09, 20:02	Link #416
Soji Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Europe	NeutralZero@Thanks. Anyway I agree with you about Justice girl. You don't know how much i want that her death happen like you say....but i'm pretty sure will be one of them.There is some foreshadowing about this and if.... Spoiler for spoiler: My guess is right and Esdes die for Tatsumi ...I'm pretty sure that the other jester(or how you wrote their name) will blame Night Raider and tatsumi for her death.If you think about it the author show us Esdes have good time with them ...just think a Justice girl. What you think will happen if Esdes die? She already blame Night Raider (or the evildore) for Ogre and doctor death . If esdes die as well....then justice girl will become even more crazy.Also we don't know what will happen a Esdes Teigu if this happen...will Tatsumi take the teigu to night raider? Or will he keep the teigu because Esdes give that one to him even if he cant use the teigu because he already have Incursio?What ever will happen if some one of Night Raider use Esdes teigu will point out to them that Night Raider kill Esdes.And yeah i can see the author take this route. Also i just realize one thing.Remember one of the point in Esdes list ? She said something about hunting risking specie with her. Spoiler for spoiler: thing that we see in ch 19 but she go with Kurome (if i'm right) while Tatsumi with Wave ...wich mean she never hunt whit him at that time.And yet Tatsumi do this (the thing Esdes want) in ch 3 with Akame lol . I mean don't get me wrong. I just find this pretty funny .

2012-06-10, 08:21	Link #417
NeutralZero Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Earth	Spoiler for hunting...: In c19 she did go hunting with Kurome but has the initial plan to change partner when night falls where in stronger group of monster appears so she could show off her skills to Tatsumi but luckily he escape In c26 He really did now go hunting with her... By that point he really did fulfill all of her requirements. Ironic thing is if by chance Akame is older than Tatsumi then he already fulfilled all of Esdes' requirements with Akame (before meeting her) and or Leone (After meeting her) way before her...

2012-06-10, 08:29	Link #418
Soji Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Europe	NeutralZero@ Spoiler for spoiler: I know about 26 it's just that i find this funny when i realize he already do the thing with Akame .Though If i have to guess i think Akame is a little older than him.Tatsumi say that Akame is close to his age ...but like I say i get the feeling she is at least some month older(can be wrong). About Leona when they go hunting togheter? i dont remember that part.

2012-06-10, 08:32	Link #420
NeutralZero Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Earth	Spoiler for hunting with Leone: That would be if our memory serve us right after the attack of Stylish V6 c25