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Also I didn't even mention the second amendment so if you think the 1st amendment is the second amendment masquerading as the freedom to speech then I have no understanding to why you brought up the second amendment. Quote:
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2010-01-20, 22:28 | Link #5522 | |
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Vexx said people on my side politically are disarming ourselves. I said we aren't, as we're the big supporters of the 2nd amendment, which helps protect the first amendment. As long as we are able to protect those freedoms, we are never disarmed. I'll try and discuss the other part of our discussion later(after dinner?). It's kind of fun being on a forum where I'm pretty much alone on my political views. Makes for interesting discussions. Though I wish I had more of my old man's debate skills and his personal experiences. Instead I rely much on what the people around me have been through as I haven't been alive long enough for some topics. |
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2010-01-20, 22:54 | Link #5523 | |
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2010-01-20, 23:12 | Link #5524 |
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Hmmm, I was misinterpreted.... I was implying that it was mostly liberals who were "unarmed" in any hypothetical civil war. Though many more liberals/progressives own guns than conservatives think (or that the vocal anti-gun crowd think). This is kind of derailing the thread methinks.
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2010-01-20, 23:16 | Link #5526 | |
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all those sixties radical would also dust off thier Molotov cocktail recipes.
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2010-01-21, 02:54 | Link #5528 | |
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Mahathir: 9/11 was staged
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2010-01-21, 03:26 | Link #5529 |
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Now if someone like this Dr Mahathir Mohamad (Dr in what anyway) promotes a platform for people to talk about something reasonably, can anyone ridicule their point even more than him... He sure lives in his own funny world - sadly outside of a lunatic asylum.
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2010-01-21, 03:37 | Link #5530 | |
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He is a medical doctor who ran a private practice before joining politics in 1964. Source here.
On a more light-hearted note (every pun intended): Japanese group adds sheen to traditional music Quote:
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2010-01-21, 03:41 | Link #5531 |
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Considering the way 9/11 was, and probably still is, used as an excuse for pushing American agendas at the expense of the rest of the world, I actually wouldn't be surprised if it WAS staged.
Whether you like it or not the former Prime Minister of Malaysia AFAIK still has a strong influence on his country.
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2010-01-21, 03:53 | Link #5532 | |
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2010-01-21, 03:54 | Link #5533 |
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Oh Gawd, not this crap again.
And it comes off as if this guy isn't even claiming that the US Government blew the towers themselves. It looks like he's saying that they used super-awesome special effects. Wow. . . |
2010-01-21, 03:56 | Link #5534 | |
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@MeoTwister5, Its not that I oppose the statement that 9/11 is (mis)used for a variety of things, but to link this with a statement that 9/11 could (most likely) be staged is just... beyond my understanding, how an even halfway decent educated person... well there is no point to further promote this man's ideas here.
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2010-01-21, 05:02 | Link #5535 |
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You know, I could post a site that debunks most conspiracy claims, but I've discovered it generally doesn't work very well. Instead I'm going to post this link:
http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse....i?u=911_morons As the man says, if the government is willing to stage an attack that killed almost 3000 of it's own citizens in order to further go on to kill tens of thousands of people in other countries, why don't they just kill the people promoting these conspiracy theories? They've already shown that killing thousands of people means nothing to them, so why let the people who stumble across this live? Unless of course it's all bullshit, there is no conspiracy, this is all being made up, and terrorists really did cause 9-11.
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2010-01-21, 05:09 | Link #5536 |
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2010-01-21, 05:17 | Link #5537 |
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The news thread has almost become like an actual news programme.
Focus on the bad, negative and sad, so let's toss in something 'nice' for a change This is in regards to the plight in Haiti, which journalists sure are milking as much as they can for ratings at present, but at least some have managed to find some stories of hope/ positivity about in such a sea of tragedy. Woman freed under rubble as new quake hits. Trapped for a week, almost 70 years old but still alive and kicking.
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2010-01-21, 05:23 | Link #5538 |
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@Everyone who quoted me.
Sarcasm much? My point being is that the tragedy is been abused so much for personal/nationalistic/imperialistic gain that it doesn't surprise me if people start to think that the entire event was staged as grounds for such a reaction on part of the Bush administration. The rest of the world grieved with you all, but once it became a pretense for invasion of countries in which the gols have become so muddied and questionable over the years, you're going to have screwballs thinking it was all a joke to give the American government an excuse to do what they did. Add to that of course that most of those denying 9/11 much the same way as denying the holocaust are Muslims, the very same people who feel like they're in the sights of America's rifle scopes after 9/11. Doesn't take a genius again because all this has been in the news for years. It's so easy to blame the people for denying the tragedy, but so hard to ask yourselves why they deny it in the first place. I would go so far as to say that if the US government didn't act and react as they did, you wouldn't have Malaysia's ex-Prime Minister spouting of anti-American rhetoric while speaking about religious tolerance and Iran's (duly elected?) President supporting hardline Islamic views while battling killing protesters in the streets. Whether America will admit or not, it help create this growing Anti-American trend, a point outside observers have been poiting out for almost ten years.
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2010-01-21, 05:41 | Link #5539 | |
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2010-01-21, 06:24 | Link #5540 |
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I'm not blaming everything on the US government. Yes the anti-American sentiments have fostered in the hearts and minds of outsiders for decades, both deservingly and undeservingly. The problem becomes when people start thinking that they have no involvement in the causation of the problems at hand that the problems get worse and start instigating "solutions" when they clearly do not truly understand the root of the issue. The purported solutions themselves become confounders to the problem and further add fuel to the fire. The road to hell is paved with good intentions, I suppose.
I don't know enough about American government and foreign policy to know just what the hell was going on in their minds when they gave to go signal for the tanks to roll in, but personally over the years I just saw that if the Bush administration did have good intentions then they still haven't made it real that now Obama inherited a big problem. I'd say it's both a problem of understanding how to deal with the people they're helping and not knowing how to cull the weeds at the root.
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