Mobile Suit Gundam: Iron-Blooded Orphans - Anime Spoilers & Speculation

[DMurphy]

Originally Posted by MayFly

FAKE SPOILERS TITLES AGAIN!

I request a ban on Irenesharda

Why do you talk like a Donald Trump tweet.

In other news, actually Irenesharda's information has usually been pretty accurate. Not always, but certainly the vast majority of the time, and they always present it with the clear proviso that it's not necessarily accurate, just what they've found.

[Rising Dragon]

Originally Posted by MayFly

FAKE SPOILERS TITLES AGAIN!

I request a ban on Irenesharda

He's been putting disclaimers on the information he shares with us, that it hasn't been confirmed and that it's just speculation. It's your own damn fault for taking unconfirmed information as gospel.

[Irenesharda]

I've basically ignored this guy, he only comes in to spam and that's pretty much it.

I'll only say it once. I just post information that looks to be as credible as it can be. Spoilers always have the potential to fall through because you can't trace it back to any official source. Since I work around the Japanese scene, I try to see what I can find from time to time, and sometimes they may check out and sometimes they may fall through. I do actively check that it comes from multiple somewhat reliable sources, before I even think about posting anything here. You are welcome not to look at any of them, if that is your prerogative. You are also welcome to give your own better information. I would love that, since it would build more actual speculation.
But if you don't have anything productive to say or to add to the conversation, you might as well not say anything at all.

ANYWAY....

So, with the revolution beginning and eight episodes left, how do you think this will play out? I kind of feel similarly to how last season played out in that this was basically the "Revenge on Carta" moment from season one, and that things will progress similarly here as in the Battle of Edmonton. In fact, it feels as if similar roles are being played again.

This time McGillis seems to be in the Makanai's spot, while Tekkadan is still in their role in trying to get (this time McGillis) into the position he needs to be. Rustal and Iok are going to do everything they can to stop them and Julietta might just play the part of Ein this time around.
Kudelia will make another grand speech as well, (hopefully).

Now how it ends may be slightly different. I think we might lose more Tekkadan members than we did last time. Lafter is gone, Azee is out of commision (though she might come back) and I have a feeling that Akihiro may not last much longer.

Another thing is that this is going to last almost twice as long as the build up and actual finale for season 1. I think they had this idea of how to end the story in season one, but when they go the okay for the second season, they had to wrap everything up and save their real ending for here. But I see similar endings. so it will be interesting to see if similar events play out.

As to who will survive? My bets are on Orga, McGillis, Ride, Hush, all of Tekkadan non-com crew, Atra, Kudelia, Chad, Dante, Derma, and strangely Mika.

Maybe? Shino, Takaki ( I think he might get involved again now that they are back on Earth), Azee, Nobliss, McMurdo.

Probably dead? Akihiro, Rustal, Iok, Gaelio (everyone in that flag shot in the OP is going to die), Julietta.

Also, next week, it looks like we'll be going to the water vault where Bael and that other mystery Gundam is kept. We see that there is a room here for each of the Seven Stars and where they keep their gundams. Do you think we'll get to see any of them?

Spoiler for next week fight under Vingolf:

The older lords definitely won't need them. Gaelio already took his, so that said, there should be six more down there.

[kgrodriguez]

Originally Posted by Irenesharda

Do you think we'll get to see any of them?

Spoiler for next week fight under Vingolf:

The older lords definitely won't need them. Gaelio already took his, so that said, there should be six more down there.

I kinda think that maybe some of the vaults are empty, aside the one from Gaelio. Rustal probably has one, and Bael most likely is also down there. But if Iok's family has a Gundam, I bet he would have already used it to protect the honor of their family, so I'm guessing their family has lost their Gundam Frame (then again, maybe Iok is that stupid not to use a Gundam Frame).

[Rising Dragon]

Iok's family probably doesn't dare trust the moron with a Gundam Frame.

[Azurial]

Giving a Gundam to Idiok's is like giving to the enemy a candy XD heck he cant even use a RaginGraze without his gun lol.

I think all of the seven stars Gundam are there in the vaults and im sure they wont sell a Gundam for money even. I think the other 5 Gundam probably be the demon of goetia from 2-5 cause Bael is the first except Kimaris XD

[DMurphy]

Isn't Iok the head of his house, though? He's the one representing it at Seven Stars meetings, which would seem to suggest his parents are dead and he's the lord of House Kujan. So if they did have a Gundam, there'd be nobody around to tell him not to use it, and we would have spent the last sixteen episodes dealing with insufferable Gundam Iok insufferably Gundaming at things like a prat.

[Rising Dragon]

His subordinates constantly tell him when what he's doing is going to be a bad idea. Just because he's young, also, doesn't mean there aren't older people in his family guiding him on what to do.

[Irenesharda]

It could also be that Iok is just too stupid to even remember that he even HAS a gundam. Probably totally forgot what was in the family vault.

Gaelio was the same too actually. When the series first began, he didn't even know what a gundam was, much less that his family owned one. McGillis had to tell him.

Iok is much dumber than Gaelio, so he might not even know that he has one.

[Skye629]

Is that giant underwater place really where the gundams are stored?

I mean storing machinery in a humid environment usually isn't really that great of an idea, unless the NL paint and the metals themselves are also rustproof



And if that place really is under the Gjallerhorn base, what business does McGillis have bringing Tekkadan there? With the Barbatos no less, I highly doubt he just wants to show off the Gjallerhorn muesuem/antique collection

[Irenesharda]

Has anyone noticed that the PVs in the entire second half have been done by people who were about to die in the next or second to next episode?
39 was done by Amida, 40 by Naze and then both died in 40. 41 was done by Lafter and we saw what happened there. 42 was Jasley and now he's dead. 43 is Gaelio/Vidar.

If the pattern continues, he too will die in this next episode....

Originally Posted by Skye629

Is that giant underwater place really where the gundams are stored?

I mean storing machinery in a humid environment usually isn't really that great of an idea, unless the NL paint and the metals themselves are also rustproof


And if that place really is under the Gjallerhorn base, what business does McGillis have bringing Tekkadan there? With the Barbatos no less, I highly doubt he just wants to show off the Gjallerhorn muesuem/antique collection

I think I talked about it a couple of pages ago, but that is indeed where at least Bael and the unknown gundam are.

Spoiler for Bael chamber:

Same architecture and also the water light reflection. Indeed a weird place to store metal objects, but then again, they survived 300+ years of being out in the elements, some water probably won't hurt them.
We also know that it's part of Gjallarhorn's base since those are each of the Seven Star crests on the walls. Vingolf is huge though. Tekkadan could hole up there and nobody would know.
But that does beg the question of why is Mika and Tekkadan there?

Is he providing escort for McGillis? Is Macky going to give them the rest of the Gundams stored there? I don't think they have the manpower or pilots for that.
Could it be that Mika and Gaelio's fight simply led them there?

I am wondering what Tekkadan is going to do on Earth anyway? Are they just going to wait around for Macky to call?

I think Rustal and Iok are going to make the moon their base since that's where Arianrhod HQ is. So it will be Earth vs the Moon.

[Skye629]

Originally Posted by Irenesharda

I think I talked about it a couple of pages ago, but that is indeed where at least Bael and the unknown gundam are.



Same architecture and also the water light reflection. Indeed a weird place to store metal objects, but then again, they survived 300+ years of being out in the elements, some water probably won't hurt them.
We also know that it's part of Gjallarhorn's base since those are each of the Seven Star crests on the walls. Vingolf is huge though. Tekkadan could hole up there and nobody would know.
But that does beg the question of why is Mika and Tekkadan there?

Is he providing escort for McGillis? Is Macky going to give them the rest of the Gundams stored there? I don't think they have the manpower or pilots for that.
Could it be that Mika and Gaelio's fight simply led them there?

I am wondering what Tekkadan is going to do on Earth anyway? Are they just going to wait around for Macky to call?

I think Rustal and Iok are going to make the moon their base since that's where Arianrhod HQ is. So it will be Earth vs the Moon.

Ah now that I look at the picture, the wall designs do match, and I wrote off the light before as just the color of lighting they chose to use, as opposed to actual water light/reflections in a dark place



I dont know why they would being Barbatos along if they are simply receiving more machines (even then he has zero rights to hand off the other families properties, at most he can only give away what he owns) or if McGillis is just showing them stuff

IMO the oddest part is Gaelio/Vidar presence, who somehow seems to CONVENIENTLY end up in a giant MS hangar/storage space to fight Mika/Barbatos, with his MS in tow? INSIDE the enemy HQ??? My only explanations for this are him waiting in the MS hangar in ambush (somehow), or he's actually there trying to save his family to prevent them being used as hostages (assuming his family home is even in that same area, all we know is that the 7Stars seem to live in fancy futuristic manmade islands with separate buildings for each family and other important facilities). Either that or there is actually a giant ass battle being fought outside and Mika/Gaelio somehow just ended up where they did



Rustal/Iok running off to the moon would make sense since its their HQ, and I would love for the series to go there and explain what blew a giant hole there (totally not a certain tentacled sensei right?)

[Irenesharda]

Macky is quite the pragmatist. If he arrests or kills those older Seven Star Lords (Falk, Balkazar, and Bauduin) they don't need their stuff anymore. He can utilize those assets in his fight.

We know he's been after Bael since he was a kid, and I'm wondering who has it? If it was the Fareed family gundam, he would have had access to it anytime. I'm thinking the Issue probably probably had it. Being the at the top of the seven families, if that was indeed Agnika's suit, they probably got dibs on it.

So McGillis probably goes down there to get it. But again how does Mika get there, and how does Vidar?
What's his response to McGillis? Does he condone what Rustal and Iok have done?
Could Mika be serving as bodyguard to McGillis? Last time he was on Earth Orga did tell him to make sure Macky stayed alive. Mika can't do that very well on his own being majorly paralyzed, but he can in Barbatos. It would be the world's biggest escort, but hey, it gets the job done.

Though then why does Vidar come in there in his mech too?

Vidar has some really heavy deathflags against him. So let's see if he can survive.

[kgrodriguez]

Originally Posted by Rising Dragon

His subordinates constantly tell him when what he's doing is going to be a bad idea. Just because he's young, also, doesn't mean there aren't older people in his family guiding him on what to do.

But him being the head, means that even if older folks advise him, he doesn't need to follow. I mean, I bet a lot of his head scratching decisions were questioned by some of those around him, but he still pushed through with it.

Originally Posted by Irenesharda

It could also be that Iok is just too stupid to even remember that he even HAS a gundam. Probably totally forgot what was in the family vault.

Gaelio was the same too actually. When the series first began, he didn't even know what a gundam was, much less that his family owned one. McGillis had to tell him.

Iok is much dumber than Gaelio, so he might not even know that he has one.

As silly as this may sound, I wouldn't be surprised if this becomes true.

[Obelisk ze Tormentor]

Originally Posted by Irenesharda

Vidar has some really heavy deathflags against him. So let's see if he can survive.

Speaking of Gali/Vidar, I remembered this trivial thing: yesterday I happened to watch the BD episode where they first introduced Almiria and during Almi & Gali’s banter, she said that Gali has been avoiding meeting with potential wife candidates or talking about marriage whenever daddy Bauduin asked him. It seems Gali is a really free-spirited guy. That, or Carta already stole his heart .

[tdx]

If GaliGali and Rex really go at it there, I can see them destroying the vault for good and sending the other Gundams to the sea floor or even accidentally destroying them except for whatever they have time to salvage (Bael; if the other Gundam we have hints of is Rustal's, he probably took it out already)

Originally Posted by Irenesharda

As to who will survive? My bets are on Orga, McGillis, Ride, Hush, all of Tekkadan non-com crew, Atra, Kudelia, Chad, Dante, Derma, and strangely Mika.

Maybe? Shino, Takaki ( I think he might get involved again now that they are back on Earth), Azee, Nobliss, McMurdo.

Probably dead? Akihiro, Rustal, Iok, Gaelio (everyone in that flag shot in the OP is going to die), Julietta.

Like I said previously, I'm inclined to write off all 3 Tekkadan Gundam pilots as the victims of that revolution.

I came to terms with Mika not making it, there was a lot of time to accept it since we'd learned about the price he had to pay in the season 1 finale and logically inferred in just what way it would end for him, but I don't know if I can handle so well Orga's possible death, so hopefully he survives. If he does, I'll probably go order all the BDs to celebrate, even.

Not so sure about McGillis surviving, especially if he goes some kind of Lelouch route (but then again, Lelouch is apparently alive now for the sequel, eh )

People like Nobliss are cancer, especially in the new better world and especially on Mars, Tekkadan's presumed domain, so I hope he won't get out of this alive. Barriston... I don't know, without him Teiwaz won't exist, but then again let's not forget that he's far from virtuous and in cahoots with Nobliss and his dirty deals, so I don't mind him being offed.

And all the villains are dead men obviously, and those on their side probably too (Gaelio, Julieta).

Characters like Kudelia (who has a lifetime of work for Mars ahead of her), Atra (since the plot's given her a very strong armor of becoming the mother of Mika's baby), Ride (new gen) need to survive though.

Originally Posted by Irenesharda

strangely Mika.

Strange indeed. Now I'm intrigued about your reasons.

Originally Posted by Irenesharda

If the pattern continues, he too will die in this next episode....

That would probably weaken the antagonists too much, so I'm willing to bet on him making it for now. But maybe he'll be forced to cast off the mask and stop being "Vidar", thus avoiding the death flag on the technicality of him returning to being "Gaelio" and not "Vidar" who did the PV.

Originally Posted by Obelisk ze Tormentor

That, or Carta already stole his heart .

That was something actually cute. Probably one of the few things I regret weren't explored a little more.

[Irenesharda]

Originally Posted by tdx

Strange indeed. Now I'm intrigued about your reasons.

I don't know why, but somehow, it just felt as if that was the path they were going to go. It was a feeling I go when we saw the end of this latest episode with Orga and Mika talking. And someone reminded me that Mika actually seems more lively now that he has Barbatos back. And I too notice that he's not as depressed as he was before. You would have to know what to look for, but he seemed much less peppy when he simply was carried around everywhere. He seems much more like himself now that he's back in the saddle.

I was thinking back to last season, and the entire theme of this series and how it has been built on the beyond-brother bond between Mika and Orga. It's basically everywhere and in everything. It begins this series, bookends the first season and begins this season as well.
The more I think about it, and the more I think about the fact that this end half kind of mirrors (on a bigger scale) the end of last season, well--I honestly can't see them breaking that bond between those two.

I can't actually see Mika and Orga being separated. I think that is one of the main reasons that Orga doesn't have a love interest. And that while Mika does care about Atra and Kudelia, nothing will come close to the relationship he has with Orga.

I believe that if Mika goes, so does Orga, and vice versa. And if Orga lives, somehow, someway, even if he has to crawl from out of the depths of Hell itself, I think Mika may find a way to live as well. (His thought being, who will be there to protect Orga if he doesn't? )
I think we'll get an extremely close call where whoever his last climactic opponent will be, it will stretch him past even what he had to do when he faced Hashmal. It will get to the point where we and probably everyone in the series is sure he's dead. But in the end, he will somehow pull through, if just from his own insane spirit and will. He'll say something matter-of-factly, which will cause Orga to laugh and they will both laugh together just as they wanted to this episode and won't get to until then.

We'll see, but while I was thinking he was going to die in the end, I somehow am suddenly thinking that Mika might just survive this.

That would probably weaken the antagonists too much, so I'm willing to bet on him making it for now. But maybe he'll be forced to cast off the mask and stop being "Vidar", thus avoiding the death flag on the technicality of him returning to being "Gaelio" and not "Vidar" who did the PV.

It might make the other side rather barren, but I also can't help thinking they might want to get rid of him since they haven't known what to do with him for some time.

The odds are stacked against him. He hasn't faced Mika in more than a year. Mika's grown a lot more powerful since then and so has Barbatos. Mika has never lost and I don't think he's about to start now. Mika is usually a "take no prisoners" kind of guy, so that doesn't help in Gaelio's favor. They are fighting on Earth in an enclosed space, which takes away Gundam Vidar's greatest asset in its speed and maneuverability. And he's also not helped by the fact that his hatred for Tekkadan also pulls a strong flag against him. People who hate Tekkadan don't tend to last long.

Also, he has not only the PV curse, but the OP curse as well. And, there's the fact that I have no idea what he's going to do if he goes as Gaelio rather than Vidar. Macky already has the advantage of putting all the info to the public out there already. Anything Gaelio tries to say, McGillis could spin it in his favor and it just becomes he said, she said.

We'll see. I personally hope that he does live and we get to see him do more. But I also won't be surprised if they just get rid of him.

The question does come as to why are he and Mika fighting anyway? I can see him facing McGillis, but why is Mika fighting him? How did they get in the vault? It'll be interesting to see how they start this all off.

[tdx]

Originally Posted by Irenesharda

I don't know why, but somehow, it just felt as if that was the path they were going to go. It was a feeling I go when we saw the end of this latest episode with Orga and Mika talking. And someone reminded me that Mika actually seems more lively now that he has Barbatos back. And I too notice that he's not as depressed as he was before. You would have to know what to look for, but he seemed much less peppy when he simply was carried around everywhere. He seems much more like himself now that he's back in the saddle.

I was thinking back to last season, and the entire theme of this series and how it has been built on the beyond-brother bond between Mika and Orga. It's basically everywhere and in everything. It begins this series, bookends the first season and begins this season as well.
The more I think about it, and the more I think about the fact that this end half kind of mirrors (on a bigger scale) the end of last season, well--I honestly can't see them breaking that bond between those two.

I can't actually see Mika and Orga being separated. I think that is one of the main reasons that Orga doesn't have a love interest. And that while Mika does care about Atra and Kudelia, nothing will come close to the relationship he has with Orga.

I believe that if Mika goes, so does Orga, and vice versa. And if Orga lives, somehow, someway, even if he has to crawl from out of the depths of Hell itself, I think Mika may find a way to live as well. (His thought being, who will be there to protect Orga if he doesn't? )
I think we'll get an extremely close call where whoever his last climactic opponent will be, it will stretch him past even what he had to do when he faced Hashmal. It will get to the point where we and probably everyone in the series is sure he's dead. But in the end, he will somehow pull through, if just from his own insane spirit and will. He'll say something matter-of-factly, which will cause Orga to laugh and they will both laugh together just as they wanted to this episode and won't get to until then.

We'll see, but while I was thinking he was going to die in the end, I somehow am suddenly thinking that Mika might just survive this.

Hm, I see. Well, my take on this is more pessimistic.

Mika looks livelier now because he's back in his element, that is, fighting, and specifically fighting for Orga. He doesn't need to try to wrap his head around difficult concepts like peaceful life, all he needs to do is to fight for Orga. That's all he ever wanted, at least on the conscious level, so of course he's content.

Mika made it his mission to get Orga to the place he wants to reach and to use up his everything, including his life, for Orga. As long as he deems his mission fulfilled, that is, Orga reaches the promised place, I think Mika would die fulfilled and even happy.

As it was pointed out elsewhere, there was a couple of moments in S1 when Mika resigned himself to death, as in literally just stopped struggling and waited for death to come: during the orbital drop when he was left out the shuttle and during Ein's fight. Both times it was Orga who pulled him out it. The first time it was because Mika remembered that promise they made and since it was still unfulfilled, he felt compelled to struggle for his own life, by using a MS of one of Carta's to protect himself from the atmospheric burn. The second time it was Orga making it to the battlefield just in time and shouting out to Mika, bringing him to his senses.

Orga had no such moments where he outright gave up on his life to completely stop struggling like that. Sure he went through a severe depression over Biscuit's death where some shock therapy was necessary, but it's not quite the same as Mika's complete resignation. Besides, as leader his sense of responsibility is on a different level, and he's capable of living for others (his grief over Biscuit's death proves how much he cared) unlike Mika who can live only for Orga. So I think Orga maybe still has some room to adapt, but Mika simply chose not to even try to have it, by voluntary refusing to change.

With Mika's unbendable determination to never stray away from the path of a weapon, and the baby-making talk Atra brought up that will apparently come to fruition (who would've thought that Atra, of all people, would raise Mika's highest death flag to date...), I have a hard time imagining him surviving as anything more than a vegetable on life support who is visited regularly by all the Tekkadan members starting with Orga and ending with Kudelia and Atra with her baby who all tell him how life is treating them.

Yeah, depressing as hell, but it probably counts as a good ending since this is a Gundam.

Originally Posted by Irenesharda

It might make the other side rather barren, but I also can't help thinking they might want to get rid of him since they haven't known what to do with him for some time.

The odds are stacked against him. He hasn't faced Mika in more than a year. Mika's grown a lot more powerful since then and so has Barbatos. Mika has never lost and I don't think he's about to start now. Mika is usually a "take no prisoners" kind of guy, so that doesn't help in Gaelio's favor. They are fighting on Earth in an enclosed space, which takes away Gundam Vidar's greatest asset in its speed and maneuverability. And he's also not helped by the fact that his hatred for Tekkadan also pulls a strong flag against him. People who hate Tekkadan don't tend to last long.

Also, he has not only the PV curse, but the OP curse as well. And, there's the fact that I have no idea what he's going to do if he goes as Gaelio rather than Vidar. Macky already has the advantage of putting all the info to the public out there already. Anything Gaelio tries to say, McGillis could spin it in his favor and it just becomes he said, she said.

We'll see. I personally hope that he does live and we get to see him do more. But I also won't be surprised if they just get rid of him.

I think I read in one of the recent interviews with Ogawa (the producer), iirc that Vidar has a damn good reason for wearing that mask and that the moment he'd take it off has already been decided. Well I'll need to check, but it was something along these lines.

Also, Mika and Barbatos aren't the only ones who got stronger. If we go by that loaded implication of that readhead mechanic from this episode, in order to fight on par with a demon, Gaelio has cast away his humanity. While it was confirmed in the manuals that he has no AV system, it has to be something just as inhumane *coughEindroidcough*, so he probably can take on Mika without a huge power difference which should give him good chances to at least turn tail if it doesn't go quite as planned.

[Irenesharda]

Originally Posted by tdx

Hm, I see. Well, my take on this is more pessimistic.

Mika looks livelier now because he's back in his element, that is, fighting, and specifically fighting for Orga. He doesn't need to try to wrap his head around difficult concepts like peaceful life, all he needs to do is to fight for Orga. That's all he ever wanted, at least on the conscious level, so of course he's content.

With Mika's unbendable determination to never stray away from the path of a weapon, and the baby-making talk Atra brought up that will apparently come to fruition (who would've thought that Atra, of all people, would raise Mika's highest death flag to date...), I have a hard time imagining him surviving as anything more than a vegetable on life support who is visited regularly by all the Tekkadan members starting with Orga and ending with Kudelia and Atra with her baby who all tell him how life is treating them.

Yeah, depressing as hell, but it probably counts as a good ending since this is a Gundam.

Yeah, I've always been an optimist.

It will be difficult, but I can see it working out somehow. While Gundam does have it's dark points, I don't really think they end bleakly. I wouldn't keep coming back to it if it did.
I think that as you said, Orga has brought Mika back from giving into a lot of things, from rage to death. I think he could do it this time too. Also, while Orga probably has the best ability to adapt, I don't think he would actually be himself again if Mika died. He's probably prepping himself for it even now, but if it were to actually hit and the reality of it crash into him, I think it would really shatter him.

We know Mika wouldn't be able to function if Orga died. I think Orga could technically function if Mika died, but I don't think he would be the leader Tekkadan needs anymore. Yes, he's grown as a leader since first season, and while he's resigned himself for now. If it were to actually happen, I think he would break, especially considering all that he's already lost.
So, if for only the sake of his sanity, I'm hoping Mika holds on.
And outside OVAs and movies, the chances of a Gundam MC surviving in the end is pretty high. Even Kamille came back eventually.
So, while I am prepared if he dies, I also have this feeling that he won't either.

Here's hoping...

I think I read in one of the recent interviews with Ogawa (the producer), iirc that Vidar has a damn good reason for wearing that mask and that the moment he'd take it off has already been decided. Well I'll need to check, but it was something along these lines.

Also, Mika and Barbatos aren't the only ones who got stronger. If we go by that loaded implication of that readhead mechanic from this episode, in order to fight on par with a demon, Gaelio has cast away his humanity. While it was confirmed in the manuals that he has no AV system, it has to be something just as inhumane *coughEindroidcough*, so he probably can take on Mika without a huge power difference which should give him good chances to at least turn tail if it doesn't go quite as planned.

I thought red head girl was talking about Ein, not Vidar. Vidar doesn't seem to have any problems himself since Rustal implies that he would be perfectly fine in taking off the mask and Gjallarhorn (who are a fickle bunch) would be fine with him. So, I don't think anything about him would be too "taboo".
His mech though? Possibly...

While Vidar probably got stronger too, again we haven't seen him do anything of merit since prior to Mika fighting Hashmal and Barbatos being simply Lupus. And while Vidar might have been at challenging Mika level then, Mika is already above that level too now.

If we could have had a bigger sample size of Vidar's fighting abilities and against an opponent that wasn't a mook, I could get a better idea of how he would do. I still don't think he can beat Mika, but perhaps get away?

Another thought though--do you think it's possible that the Gundam Vidar can function without a pilot? I know we've supposed that Ein might be inside Vidar somehow, and with the MAs showing that an AI is possible, could the mech Vidar be able to operate without person Vidar being inside?

Just a thought I had since I think Gaelio would be more interested in talking face to face with McGillis rather than fighting Mika. Ein on the other hand? Well, we all know Mika has been the target of his obsession.
Though if Ein is indeed in mech Vidar, then this end fight would get a heck of a lot more complicated.

And if he is, I'd better not hear one " Crank-nii". Crank is like Nicol, you barely saw them, and yet their name radiates through the series. :P

Originally Posted by tdx

If GaliGali and Rex really go at it there, I can see them destroying the vault for good and sending the other Gundams to the sea floor or even accidentally destroying them except for whatever they have time to salvage (Bael; if the other Gundam we have hints of is Rustal's, he probably took it out already)

Aww, I really want to see them. Though I can see them all getting lost in the destruction. Not destoyed, but lost. Gundams seem to be some of the most hardy tech in this universe. A little explosion wouldn't hurt them.

That is a thought. What if Vidar is at the vault to guard Rustal and Iok as they get their own Gundams to use during the war. McGillis knows this would be one of Rustal's next moves and sent Mika to counter them. Vidar faces Mika as a distraction, while Rustal and Iok get their mechs and escape?

That would leave Bael and 3 other gundams in there.

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Originally Posted by Skye629

Is that giant underwater place really where the gundams are stored?

Likely the boat where Izanario Fareed's office is and where Seven Stars meet.

Water means the boat is sinking.

We haven't seen an underwater MS in this series wonder how somebody will recover those Gundams if it does sink.