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Perfect 10 | 6 | 14.63% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 15 | 36.59% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 11 | 26.83% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 3 | 7.32% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 5 | 12.20% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 0 | 0% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 0 | 0% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 0 | 0% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 0 | 0% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 1 | 2.44% | |
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2011-10-07, 18:31 | Link #41 | |
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2011-10-07, 18:47 | Link #42 | |
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You think that Ringo doesn't want to take personal ownership of her own decisions, and wants to chalk everything up to "fate" as a way of skirting personal responsibility. That's possible, I suppose. I'm inclined to see her in a more positive light myself, but then I've always liked Ringo a bit more than yourself, so that's probably to be expected, lol.
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2011-10-07, 19:41 | Link #45 | |
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Since common sense doesn't work to explain that reasoning, maybe it's religious. But is there any religion out there who teach that Fate (clearly, God) makes you pay of your life for your parents crime if those are terrible enough? I've been raised in a Christian family and never heard of such things. Whatever the brothers believe in, I'm glad I'm not sharing their views. Looks pretty messed up to me...and then I remember Kanba is working hand in hand with the group his parents belonged too. Organization which launch terrorist attack in the metro in 95 ->Aum Shinrikyo->sect 'orz No wonder...
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2011-10-07, 19:52 | Link #46 |
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great episode, definitely more laidback than last week's.
pretty shocked that momoka is the PotC! I was definitely part of the camp that believed that the hat was an extension of himari, but i'm cool with being wrong! confused about one thing though, when did sanetoshi meet momoka? after her death? i know the sequence hinted toward it but i'm curious if they had met before. i guess her rejection of him might mean she's already in love with tabuki. not to mention, how DID she even become the penguin hat? the vial sanetoshi used look like the same red life force that was pulled out of kanba. i wonder who's it might be--her fated one? hmm. ringo's growth was palpable this episode but i felt like it's been happening for awhile now. ever since she put sho's life before the diary, i felt like she's been changing for the better. now i'm curious as to why PoTC wants the diary. her interactions with Ringo now are even more interesting, she was quite rude to her little sister!
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2011-10-07, 21:52 | Link #48 |
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Shall we initiate our survival strategy? But what price is this gonna come with?
I didn't know that penguindrum could have emotional impact. But apparently it can. And the ending song... wow. 9/10. I'm glad Himari's still around.
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2011-10-07, 22:11 | Link #49 |
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Ok I'm completely lost 100%.. After episode 10 I lost it. Can someone please explain what PoC stands for? And please explain what the current theory is? Why did Satenoshi the librarian bring back Himari? And what does Natsume want to crush? And from the phone call she also paid a price for Himari appears she contacted Satenoshi. She won't give them the diary but she pays a price and has Satenoshi go to Himari. I'm even more confused. And anyone have an idea of WHAT their parents did exactly? He hears they have a healthy baby boy than initiate a plan called the Survival Strategy and kills many?
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2011-10-07, 22:37 | Link #50 | |||
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He himself said this is a secret, so we don't know why he did it... yet. Some people say Kanba, but we don't know yet... Quote:
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They led a bombing to the Tokyo subway.
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2011-10-07, 23:12 | Link #51 | |
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2011-10-07, 23:21 | Link #52 |
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I disagree. I think the series is neither going to idolize nor demonize this. Believing in fate is not a problem. The problem is using this belief to avoid facing reality. I think that's the actual subject matter of the series rather than "fate" itself. At the very least, Ringo's situation goes along those lines.
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2011-10-08, 01:56 | Link #53 | |
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Natsume, is an idiot and should give up on Kanba if she loves him because if she has any damn brain in her head.. if Himari dies than Kanba will never forgive her and it will be foregone conclusion she could never obtain him. She is just another stalker but unlike Ringo who stalked without doing much she is using her penguin balls to remove their memories as well as kidnapped his younger brother. She is the dangerous one. Thanks for the info.. gives me some perspective and knowing what is going on now I totally lost it after episode 10 before this summary. |
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2011-10-08, 04:03 | Link #56 |
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"Those who are born wealthy, those born of beautiful mothers, and those born into war or poverty." Such is fate. Such is the law of cause and effect in our world. Some things are lost whose spaces can never be filled again. Some things are desired which can never be known. A human being is indeed shaped by the things which made and surround him. Those are his limits, those are his path. Shouma asks: if our lives are written before they've begun, then why were we ever born in the first place?
If Himari's death is not actually punishment for holy ash being sprinkled at the foot of the apple tree, so what? From Shouma's perspective, it is the simple truth that Himari is fated to die. And if so, why was she even born? Why did she or anyone struggle? This defeatism comes from the same human root of Ringo's statement "I'd have rather never found out about Shouma's parents." Determinism is the logical conclusion of chasing after and believing in the laws of causality. One thing begets another; by understanding the cause, the reaction is elementary. Is there any happening or chance which the laws of cause and effect cannot summarize? What outcomes can rationality and the scope of human knowledge fail to know? Thus it is that people come to believe that the fate of the world is determined in the infinite, and accept the fact that human will and struggle will never amount to anything. Shouma's fatalism, and Ringo's initial missions of "Destiny", presume the effect. Because the "cause" is known, the "Destiny" is inevitable. Conversely, I believe in fate, and as such was attracted to Ringo's monologue from the outset. But it is not the 'effect', but rather the 'cause' that I believe in. I believe in the law of cause and effect, that everything happens for a "reason". Because there is a reason, that is why it can be said that everything experienced reveals some truth about the world. It is this continuous accumulation of knowledge that gives my life meaning. If I understand the 'cause and effect of the world, someday, I will be able to do something for someone else. In this sense, I am indeed following a "fate" of miraculous encounters changing my path and leading me forward. I don't know how much the character Ringo really "embraces" fate at the moment, though. Tabuki comes off as a more consistent (but somehow less enthusiastic) proponent of "the meaning of things" than she does, imo. If you look at the "miraculous encounters with somebody" aspect of Ringo's monologue, in fact it seems to apply more directly to Sanetoshi. What is his "love at first sight", "a person who sees the same view of me" but his own 'fated encounter'? What are "the world's cries of help" but the accumulation of knowledge which leads to his "optimal path", which gives his life meaning? Fate, that's what. Then, "Fate" will be the moment "Survival Strategy" succeeds and Sanetoshi achieves his destiny; the specimen in Sanetoshi's experiment to "determine the existence of Fate" is Sanetoshi himself. To return to the original thought: Momoka rejected Sanetoshi because she knew she was not actually so special. A man who conjured up a narrative of fate around himself and was oblivious to the fact that Momoka could not see any of it. Incidentally, this episode happens to be the first one I've given a repeated viewing. Maybe 'cause I'd forgotten something; maybe 'cause I was bored; maybe I wanted to hear the ED again? But anyway, a new speculation arises: the "futari to" Sanetoshi speaks directly to are the PotCrown and the PoCrystal. I also managed to have apparently missed that the Tokyo Sky Metro is an underground hanging monorail. Last edited by Sol Falling; 2011-10-08 at 04:15. |
2011-10-08, 04:27 | Link #57 | |
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A meh episode imo. Not much happened... the information that we were given, we already knew, more or less. It was slow, solemn and serene but it wasn't impressive like episode 10. |
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2011-10-08, 04:43 | Link #58 | |
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So it's possible he was talking about Momoka (the hat) and himself.
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2011-10-08, 05:05 | Link #59 | |
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2011-10-08, 05:16 | Link #60 | |
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But it does give a bit more sense to the siblings way of thinking. If they were taught this, added to the story there mother red them, I guess Kanba and Shou words make sense.
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