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When did I say he coulda just easily beat Cell?? All i said was that parts of that fight (as per his plan) was to show Gohan his moves...He had already made the decision prior to the fight that he was going to let Gohan defeat Cell...If you watched DBZ and didn't get all the clues, obvious and subtle that Goku fights for fun and/or to test his abilities before he gets serious you know nothing about his character at all...Furthermore (as for kid buu too) your confusing the fact that I said the villains were like the underdawgs (IMO) with me saying Goku was always clearly (technically) stronger than every villain... Momma Mia! >_<;;;
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You guys should stop trying to persuade each other to agree with your own opinions. Instead, you should agree and to disagree, because the world is a big and diverse place.
On topic; I'm not sure how popular one piece is, it may be the most popular thing in japan like someone said earlier, but IMO a possible reason why OP manga can seem to be less popular than naruto/bleach is because is retains an unique style. Stuff that OP doesn't have, or doesn't refer to as much: - Main character has some sorta trump card (ichigo - that hollow guy inside him, naruto - the kyuubi) - Main character attains new abilities and levels (ichigo - bankai, naruto - kyuubi transformations) - Really strong characters fight (bleach - captains fighting, naruto - the sanins, hokage, akatuski, etc...) - The whole ordeal of going away to train, and then coming back right in the nick of time to save the day, showing off some super new powers My memory ain't really good, but i'm sure people who've read all 3 can think of more/better examples. I just listed some to get my message across. The formula that bleach and naruto follow are pretty typical stuff among these types of manga, but hey - it works. It's why i like bleach and naruto over OP. |
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ife followed One Piece for like ... a long time
i watched most arc up untill the filler episodes in witch they hypnotised everyone in losing their memmory (also from the One Piece game with the kid with the seahorse blowing horn) ive heard from One Piece and first watched the raw episode of latest edition and first read the manga, im planning on collecting it now too but i started to miss the fibe in the much later episodes, the manga takes super long its a bit standard villain fight procedure, first its Zoro, Sanji, Nami etc. and then in the end its Luffy, after a while i got sick of that i did like the humor, i still watch the movies from time to time, but there's just somhting missing for me in the latest episodes, i still read manga but not with as muh fun as before maybe its because it got so populair that i started to dislike it in the end Naruto and Bleach, well only 2 people in my town know that Bleach is a anime show, almost noone watches anime here where i live but i dislike Naruto a bit, but not as much as One Piece (not that i hate that soo much, i will keep a space in my heart for it ^^) , because some people in this town walk around with head bands O.O; , i think that goes a bit too far lol because people here think youre insane and dont know anything about anime i know a girl at baseball that wears it to every training <.<; |
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One Piece is a real slow starter. Realistically the first slices of genius in One Piece don't occur until the utterly compelling Nami - hometown arc. And thats not until 30/40 eps have elapsed. The cast aren't even fully assembled until wa-ay into the series. OP has been much more consistent in its quality however. Its creativity and imagination only truly shine until later on. It's comic intensity and punchline delivery rule too. I mean Island Whale. I can understand that substance use was in progress, I just can't figure out how he still managed to draw straight lines while dropping tabs. But Naruto & Bleach show their true form early, and can hook you quicker. |
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2006-04-06, 18:26 | Link #46 | |
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A lot of people are impatient, they may just fall in the same boat, anything wrong? The world is diverse. I've read all of OP up to 400, i have 401 to 405 but i can't be stuffed reading because i know it doesn't get much in 5 chapters. I've read all of these mangas a long time ago, but the ones i remember best are still bleach, dbz and naruto. Maybe it's appeal. Who knows. |
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Then you say it's a matter of impatience. Not exactly a new startling revelation.
And how exactly do you get as much in 5 chaps from the other Shonen Jump series? Especially when one or two of what you list would have chaps filled with nothing new in terms of actual info much less the length of fights. |
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In my opinion people like Naruto/Bleach more not only because they are action anime but also because they have fanboy characters that people are attracted to(ex. Sauske,little 10th captian kid who isn't that strong). It also has small bits of love that tie in to the story.
One Piece is my favorite anime so my opinion my be a little bias but i'm so glad One Piece doesn't have love to mess everything up. One Piece is more about friends on a journey with dreams all facing in the same general direction. One Piece isn't like DBZ, Naruto, or Bleach because until recent chapters, no one has had any retarded powerup that takes no time to achieve and makes them godly strong. In my personal opinion, I like the fights in One Piece more than any other anime. No one delivers beats like One Piece. But basicly Naruto is by far the most popular anime in the States, but in Japan One Piece may be a little little bit more popular than Naruto and Bleach. It's all a matter if you like adventure or action more. |
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@neo If you don't understand that general comparisons are valid in the context of evaluating similiar comedic values you've lost it...
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As for the rest, It's a perception...Hell the commercial campaign on Cartoon Network used to even say this (the underdawg thing)...Not that that's canon by any stretch, but I think it's fair for me to say that DBZ was the only anime I watched where the main core of protagonists (Goku especially) seemed almost unbeatable or had an air of insurmountability to them...Many times it was the villains fighting uphill to challenge (In most shonen or any cartoons really it's visa versa)...having to do stuff like absorb already ridiculously strong beings like 16 and 17 (Cell) because simply being a combination of every strong character in the series isn't strong enuff (IMAGINE THAT)...or having to absorb Gotenks, Mystic Gohan, and Piccolo (buu) just to have A CHANCE to beat Goku (Do you still not grasp the concept of my underdawg point?)...The Villains had to go to beyond ridiculous lengths just to be able to not get totally outclassed by various Super-saiyans...Usually that's visa versa for the most part...But eventhough they went thru these things giving them the persona of an underdawg IMO, that doesn't mean that AT THE END OF ALL THE TRANSFORMATIONS AND ABSORBTIONS that Goku was still technically stronger than them...Can you give an inch and tell me this isn't going over your head? Now you could accept some of this or bullishly continue to argue me in wingdarkness fashion...
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And again while the villains have their absorption of other beings to reach a new level of strength we still have the heroes with their fusions time and again. Much less that Buu without any outside influences whatsoever in his bodily structure was quite powerful as it was in which Goku still needed help to actually defeat it. An underdog situation still has to be in the confines of you expecting them to simply lose because they are considered weaker. Cause progression of strength to be stronger pretty much went both ways in odd or just simply out of the butt fashions. |
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Now this is a post that really screams out foolishness towards the end I mean really... One Piece has exceeded Dragonball How? I do not remember ever being an manga/anime changing the fighting Genre! Also without Dragonball you would not have any One Piece! As a matter of fact you would not have as many animes that came out today especially you Naruto fans. Hell Dragonball will never be exceded as long as you have animes and mangas basing parts from the manga/anime and are inspired by that Series ALONE. Also by this time Dragonball/Dragonball Z were huge hits and world wide unlike One Piece. Akira Toriyama to many manga artists is GOD including yours truly Oda from One Piece. |
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in terms of inspiration, DBZ will always be tough to exceed... It was one of THE defining series for shonen... so it terms of insipration, no Shonen series can ever really win
However, in terms of overall quality, i give way more credit to One piece... the story, characters and fighting in One piece is simply better... Sure, the characters of one piece bare signs of inspiration from the DBZ characters, but they are not ripoffs of the characters, they are unique and far more interesting then most of the Dragonball cast ever was... Also, i think in about 50 episodes, One Piece will have reached the total length of the entire Dragonball series (DB,Z, and GT); Only thing is, the DB series in total went downhill halfway through(After freeza it got dull) while One Piece is still going strong... and the fighting one piece is much better; the fighting is far more unique and it never really gets boring. The fights can sometimes get drawn out, but Oda manages to keep up the intrest , unlike DBZ where the fighting just got tedious after awhile. Personally, in terms of Dragonball series, i liked the fighting best in the first series; y'know, before they became overpowered and made over use of energyblasts... Dragonball will always have the credit for innovations and inspiration... but most of today's shonen series beat it in terms of overall quality Quote:
Especially here in the states where DBZ's only anime competetion was Transformers which was old school, and Sailor moon which was for girls... Shonen series today have a lot of tough competetion to deal with... with so many great series, it's hard for any of them to shine above the rest this does make me wonder what Dragonball's popularity would have be like if it had the same tough competetion that today's shonen's have back when it was in it's rising days... oh and this talk of shows inspiring other shows reminds me of something i learned today Apparently, the entire anime style was basically inspired by Betty Boop... i seriously didn't see that coming =P Never realized she was one of Tezuka's early inspirations |
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Since you're such a OP fanboy, it's pointless to try to convince why OP may be lesser of a manga than others. Your persistance in arguing shows that much. |
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Bleach, Naruto, and One Piece are doing what was intended...Evolving the genre that DBZGT controlled for over a decade...It's only natural that they learned from some of DBZ's mistakes (Well Naruto has kinda dropped the ball a bit)...Unfortunatley the only damage that DBZ really did was overshadow Yu yu Hakusho which overall I personally consider the best shonen of alltime... Some animes have great storylines, some have great characters, others rely on action, humor, or horror, but very seldomly do you get an anime that incorporates all of these qualities effectively if not evenly....Hopefully after the conclusion of the "Big 3" (Bleach, Naruto, and One Piece) I can have something that resembles the feelings I have for DBZGT and Yu Yu...To be honest One Piece gives me that feeling more than the other 2, but I'd be lying if I said the fact that I used to go months without watching OP eps because no one was releasing them with any consistency didn't hurt my hype for the series... Quote:
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Also, maybe you are right that without dragon ball series there wouldn't have been one piece. But, who knows maybe with the absence of Toriyama, Oda would have become that GOD you have mentioned to have his worshippers. And, quite honestly, even without the creation of dragon ball series, I believe that many would have at least come up with partial ideas that will sum up to the overall innovations of dragon ball. Last edited by Sazelyt; 2006-04-07 at 14:44. |
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