2010-05-06, 01:37 | Link #7081 | |
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2010-05-06, 02:42 | Link #7082 | |
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Warning: Bitch session ahead. Spoiler for Thoughts on pointlessness of representative democracy:
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2010-05-06, 05:43 | Link #7083 |
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A Ku Klux Klan leader has pleaded guilty to murdering a woman recruit, a day after an initiation rite in the US state of Louisiana in 2008.
One question. Is that silk their using?
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2010-05-06, 10:24 | Link #7084 | |
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2010-05-06, 10:42 | Link #7085 |
AS Oji-kun
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There's nothing illegal in being a Klan member or advocating Klan ideas. Acting on those beliefs and engaging in illegal acts is another story. In those cases charges can be brought against the individuals involved. The Klan has been forced to pay substantial damages in civil suits as well.
It's the American way. We let the hate groups spout whatever they want and give them consitutional protections as well. I rather like that about my country. I'm of the opinion that the solution to "bad" speech is more speech, not repression.
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2010-05-06, 10:46 | Link #7086 | |
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2010-05-06, 11:15 | Link #7088 |
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It may not have occurred to you before, but Singapore also does not in principle ban groups that are considered cults, or borderline heretical, by others. The freedom of religion, speech, assembly and association is enshrined in the Constitution.
The caveat, however, is that such freedoms cannot be used to offend public order, public health or morality. Of course, they must not be seditious either. Which leads naturally to quite a fair bit of interpretation. But such grey areas are not unique to Singapore's Constitution. Laws exist to serve a community. It just so happens that this country's laws are tilted more towards society ("the greater good") than to individuals. |
2010-05-06, 11:29 | Link #7089 | |
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its only when you do something REALLY evil - like showing Muhammad on southpark - that freedom of speech seems to run out.
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2010-05-06, 11:34 | Link #7090 |
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Yup, there are definitely some censoring issues here, just one instance of the paradoxical law enforcement in this country. Though I have to say, it seems to have gotten better in recent years. I think radio talk shows are currently the area where censoring is most prominent, just from what I know about Don Imus or Howard Stern.
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2010-05-06, 12:45 | Link #7091 | |
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2010-05-06, 12:56 | Link #7092 | |
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Frankly, "Freedom of Speech" encourages the clowns and morons to make public fools of themselves so everyone else can more easily "spot the loony" (like the KKK). The Southpark thing was basically a corporate coward move and last I checked, threatening to kill someone is still actionable legally in the US. That needs to be dumped on the zealots (be they Christian, Muslim, whatever) like a ton of bricks.
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2010-05-06, 12:59 | Link #7093 | |
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2010-05-06, 13:19 | Link #7094 | |
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But the US is a really big place. Too easy to schedule travel plans that don't include hyperbolic infestations of loony so I don't encounter them very often.
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2010-05-06, 13:28 | Link #7095 | |||
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I believe you have been old enough to know about Operation Spectrum, in which 22 people are arrested for "trying to subvert the Singapore Government and create a Marxist State". I am not surprised if the ISD decided to invite them over to a coffee session to discuss the future of the megacorp country. Over at US, they are much more liberal, but I can't seem to understand why they would allow a racist group to run wild. Quote:
Back on topic, it seems like the symbol of freedom of what U.S is became the symbol of "doing whatever one wants with no regards or due respect to others". Quote:
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2010-05-06, 13:44 | Link #7096 | |
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The caveat that TRL mentioned, "that such freedoms cannot be used to offend public order, public health or morality, [or be] seditious" is fundamentally at odds with the First Amendment to our Constitution, namely that "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances." While First Amendment absolutists (I'm pretty close to one) might argue that "no law" means just that, historically the Court has been faced with determining when it might excuse limitations on speech on other grounds. The jurisprudence here spans centuries and an dizzying array of subjects.
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2010-05-06, 14:05 | Link #7097 | |
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Anyway, the problem with law often lies in the interpretation of its words. A single law can have so many loopholes, in this case it concerns the freedom of speech (which includes whichever kind of article to spread an idea) which can indirectly trigger thought, supposedly being free too. In short, one can spread his/her idea, but there isn't exactly a caveat dictating the exact content type influencing for or otherwise to the state ideals. Besides, content can be written so subtly that views can differ so much, then again, leading to the multiple interpretations of the First Amendment.
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2010-05-06, 15:51 | Link #7098 |
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Seeing as we don't have a UK general election thread, I figured I'd post this here:
Spoiler for Election Results at 21:40:
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I'll probably throw in a new image every hour, although I'll edit this post so as not to spam . Election results will be from the BBC. Last edited by Fahd; 2010-05-07 at 01:01. |
2010-05-06, 16:13 | Link #7100 | |
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The pokemon thing is cute and all, wonder who creates these
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