(L) Kaze no Stigma

[PreSage]

Finally had a window of opportunity to watch the 5th episode.

It was humorous to see Ayano almost speechless after her friends outdone her. Did she realize she was wearing a short skirt when she decided to climb that pole in public? And her imagination...the girl's not as innocent as she looks... (but us fangirls have to thank her for allowing us to see a shirtless Kazuma ).

When Kazuma commented on how weak her brother was and how he was partly to blame for his death, I believe Kazuma purposely stoked Misao's fire (pun not intended) for two purposes: (1) to make her reveal her intentions (ie, knife) and (2) to make her hate him as a way to punish himself for making her sad and/or letting her brother die - and also, allowing her to continue to hate him may be a way he's repaying her (not the best repayment he could do but that's probably how Kazuma thinks). When Kazuma said that he was partly to blame for her brother's death I believe he actually meant it wholeheartedly. It doesn't appear to be Kazuma's intention to have any of the Kannagi members killed, despite his own hatred against the family. Also, I get the impression that when he is unable to protect someone, he feels an even greater sense of the word weakness (a feeling which probably connects back to that girl in the flashbacks).

I am glad to see, and slightly surprised how quickly it came about, Ayano's trust in Kazuma.

[FlareKnight]

True that without Kazuma the show would die along with him, but I'm not too worried about that. It wouldn't hurt for Kazuma to lose or just clearly need someone to help him out. But he is probably too powerful to ever lose, since whatever could beat him would have to be impressive.

I don't think its Ayano being that weak. Just that when you stand her beside Kazuma you can clearly see the difference in power. If she can get more control then the size of that difference will shrink.

Yeah interesting that Ayano's imagination decided to put Kazuma shirtless. Her imagination was getting a work out, first with Kirika coming out of that place with Kazuma and then with Misao. Well I can see how her trust came about. When someone pretty much brings you back from the dead you give them their due. Plus she knows that Kazuma is at a higher level than her so that can be part of where that respect and trust would come from.

[Hyouzan]

^there's plenty of other ways to lose but still retaining dignity and doesn't necessarily leads to the usual shonen circle ( getting owned==>train hard==>beat the enemy==>and getting owned again with far more powerful ones==>train and so on )

like positional disadvantages, bad timing(sneak attacks), and distractions and such....so the enemy doesn't even have to be stronger than him (though it'll suck if they are far weaker, so i prefer them to be equals or with narrow margins of difference in power/skill )
i'd so love to see kazuma in a bad shape after getting pwnd for a change

ayano definitely had a crush on kazuma indeed if she's so intent on stalking him when it doesn't really concern her
and her imagination...i wouldn't mind seeing that a liitle more often no...not for the shirtless kazuma

[Guppy]

Originally Posted by Hyouzan

like positional disadvantages, bad timing(sneak attacks), and distractions and such....so the enemy doesn't even have to be stronger than him (though it'll suck if they are far weaker, so i prefer them to be equals or with narrow margins of difference in power/skill )
i'd so love to see kazuma in a bad shape after getting pwnd for a change

Spoiler for novel vol. 2:

Well, at the end of volume 2...

Spoiler for you sure?:

Kazuma winds up rather injured. Ayano even chides him for getting hurt worse than Misao, who he was trying to save at the time.

Everyone seems to have recovered by the epilogue, though, so things should be back to normal by volume 3 (which I haven't read yet).

[lightbringer]

Spoiler for Juugo's problem:

I dunno about Juugo and Enraiha, but from what I gathered from the Japanese Wikipedia, he had some kind of leg injury some time ago which now prevents him from being active in combat. He is, however, and don't quote me on this, also a wielder of the God Flame, like Genma is. They're two of the twelve people (past and present) who can wield it.

[Deathkillz]

^ new guy? i see sparks already

Originally Posted by Guppy

Spoiler for novel vol. 2:

Well, at the end of volume 2...

Spoiler for you sure?:

Kazuma winds up rather injured. Ayano even chides him for getting hurt worse than Misao, who he was trying to save at the time.

Everyone seems to have recovered by the epilogue, though, so things should be back to normal by volume 3 (which I haven't read yet).

Spoiler:

well kazuma is only as strong as he is without releasing the power of his contract...maybe he didnt have time and thus had to rely on his own powers that wernt enough? O.o

[kaerstan01]

wish they wont end the second arc too quickly(or in the next episode), coz that would mean a shorter lifespan for this series XD

Spoiler for XD:

so kazuma's gonna save the damsel of distress huh... imo, misao should give him a "prize" as a token of appreciation for helping her and to make matters more complicating for ayano =P and regarding the sousho's ability of wielding the azure flame, was that stated in the novel? just curious^^

[lightbringer]

Spoiler:

It's written here. At least I think it is. You are welcome to verify for yourself

[Guppy]

Originally Posted by kaerstan01

Spoiler for XD:

so kazuma's gonna save the damsel of distress huh... imo, misao should give him a "prize" as a token of appreciation for helping her and to make matters more complicating for ayano =P

Spoiler for novel vol. 2:

Well, at the end of volume 2,

Spoiler for vol. 2 ending:

Kazuma caresses Misao's face rather intimately, then stops and promises her that they'll continue the next time they meet (she's decided to retire from the world and spend her life in prayer as atonement for all the collateral damage she caused under evil influence - "Tenshi-sama" applied a bit of hypnotism to Misao so she wouldn't care about it, and when he released her the guilt was too much, resulting in Kazuma sustaining serious injuries before he could snap her out of wanting to die for what she'd done).

Ayano is somewhat put out by all this (especially when Misao agrees and says she'll be waiting) and warns Kazuma against sneaking into the convent to, uh, interfere with Misao... but the narration makes it clear that Kazuma was really telling Misao "I won't forget you," and doesn't expect to ever encounter her again.

The narration then states that Ayano still doesn't know the reason why she's getting angry at Kazuma, and finishes by telling us that whether or not the day will come when she realises the name of the emotion she's feeling... is another story.

[kaerstan01]

@lightbringer

lol, i might get more than what i asked for =P ok! i believe you! lol

@guppy

OMFGWTF!!! need some spoiler management here!!! lol nice one guppy!^^

Spoiler for =P:

so kazuma didnt have a chance to play w/ her.... grr.... such a waste... for a cute girl to waste her time in the convent imo

feed me more, feed me more! <3

[Kabitzin]

Originally Posted by PreSage

When Kazuma commented on how weak her brother was and how he was partly to blame for his death, I believe Kazuma purposely stoked Misao's fire (pun not intended) for two purposes: (1) to make her reveal her intentions (ie, knife) and (2) to make her hate him as a way to punish himself for making her sad and/or letting her brother die - and also, allowing her to continue to hate him may be a way he's repaying her (not the best repayment he could do but that's probably how Kazuma thinks). When Kazuma said that he was partly to blame for her brother's death I believe he actually meant it wholeheartedly. It doesn't appear to be Kazuma's intention to have any of the Kannagi members killed, despite his own hatred against the family. Also, I get the impression that when he is unable to protect someone, he feels an even greater sense of the word weakness (a feeling which probably connects back to that girl in the flashbacks).

Kazuma seems pretty calculating in most of his actions, aside from the occasional sappiness towards his immediate family. I'm pretty sure he is trying to help Misao in some way with his taunts, because whenever he taunts scrubs that he doesn't care about, the taunts are rather generic (before he knocks them out).

Also, from flashbacks of the girl who is leaking blood, I would guess that Kazuma has not forgotten what it means to be weak, and his criticism of Misao's brother for being weak may also be directed at himself in a way.

[Guppy]

Originally Posted by Kabitzin

Also, from flashbacks of the girl who is leaking blood, I would guess that Kazuma has not forgotten what it means to be weak, and his criticism of Misao's brother for being weak may also be directed at himself in a way.

usagijen and I already discussed this earlier in the thread - that section of dialogue was severely cut in the transition from novel to anime, losing most of its former meaning.

Spoiler for novel vol. 2:

Kazuma's comment about Misao's brother Takeya having died because he was weak wasn't personal or self-critical - it was actually a shock tactic, designed to get his point across about what he sees as the Kannagi family's skewed value system.

What Kazuma was saying was basically: it's fine if strength is all you care about, but then you can't complain when someone stronger comes along and mops the floor with you.

[lightbringer]

Guppy, you're spilling the beans like there's no tomorrow. Very nice =)

[TigerII]

I love how he points out all the flaws in the Kannagis and then does not worry, because at the moment none of them can stop him.

[Deathkillz]

Originally Posted by Guppy

usagijen and I already discussed this earlier in the thread - that section of dialogue was severely cut in the transition from novel to anime, losing most of its former meaning.

Spoiler for novel vol. 2:

Kazuma's comment about Misao's brother Takeya having died because he was weak wasn't personal or self-critical - it was actually a shock tactic, designed to get his point across about what he sees as the Kannagi family's skewed value system.

What Kazuma was saying was basically: it's fine if strength is all you care about, but then you can't complain when someone stronger comes along and mops the floor with you.

and also the fact that this is his revenge for him getting kiked out of the family...it may not be killing everybody but making the point hit home that he is no longer a weakling must really tick the branch family off (sweet sweet revenge in his eyes )

[usagijen]

Originally Posted by PreSage

Finally had a window of opportunity to watch the 5th episode.

It was humorous to see Ayano almost speechless after her friends outdone her. Did she realize she was wearing a short skirt when she decided to climb that pole in public? And her imagination...the girl's not as innocent as she looks... (but us fangirls have to thank her for allowing us to see a shirtless Kazuma ).

I am glad to see, and slightly surprised how quickly it came about, Ayano's trust in Kazuma.

LOL... yeah, have to thank Ayano and her 'fertile' imagination XDDD
and about that 'climbing up the pole' stalking... From what I can remember, it's not really shown in the novels... the anime made Ayano look worse, even this jealousy o_O

I'm glad to see how Ayano's trust on Kazuma came about too... it's even more entertaining in the novel where it's actually mentioned how Ayano got attracted to Kazuma, despite her having a "father complex" (according to her friends... :P) it's in the novel comparison I made for this episode for anyone who wants to know about that part... reading about these fun stuff (that the anime omitted ><)makes KnS all the more fun XD

Ayano's friends sure is a great addition to spicing up the fun in KnS...
I've done a little reading on the KnS Ignition novels (the short stories), and I found this part where

Spoiler:

Yukari gives Ayano a condom as a 'gift' for Ayano and Kazuma's "date"... LOL XDDDD
Ayano of course freaks out and burns it up immediately :P

(ok.. this is already another story...*rewinds herself to the main novels* XD)

Originally Posted by Kabitzin

Also, from flashbacks of the girl who is leaking blood, I would guess that Kazuma has not forgotten what it means to be weak, and his criticism of Misao's brother for being weak may also be directed at himself in a way.

Kazuma has not once forgotten what it means to be weak, hence his usual 'nightmares' regarding his past 'weak' self. This is clearly seen in the novels, as it clearly narrates Kazuma's thoughts... and of course the girl in that past is someone he can never forget

Spoiler:

because it was her death that drove him to be strong... remembering the girl, Tsuo-Rin's death always reminds him of his weak self, where he was unable to protect this woman he loved. But of course it's not all that emo and Kazuma's the way we see him now... there's that underlying sensitivity and kindness in his actions, despite its 'harshness' and brutal honesty => this actually makes you see how he resembles his dad... stubborn people who sometimes resorts to doing these kinds of 'harsh' actions with a really good intent

[ZippyDSM]

Whos the better subber?
I like translation notes with as close as you can get it dialog.

Can someone help me out please ^^ I dont have the time to download 3X 2 eps to see whos flow better *L*

[Klashikari]

I only tried Anime Yoshi and Shinsen-Subs so far.
Anime Yoshi is the fastest fansub group for KnS, but doesn't drop the quality (i'm really impressed how they can keep quality, resolution with that speed and especially file size)
They tend to keep japanese terms, which isn't bad at all, with some T/N. (though, hahaue, instead of "mother" is kinda "too" exaggerated to keep in japanese, well XD)

the only nitpicking is some "slang" (pretty rare however), and the summoning translation of Enraiha ("ideo" shouldn't be translated as "come forth!" "i summon you" instead of materialise?), probably much personal preference anyway.

Shinsen-Subs are pretty neat, with smoother font and encoding, but they are rather slow, considering the HUGE amount of anime they are subbing.

[Renegade334]

KnS ep06 thread on 2chan:

Spoiler for 2chan thread link:

Remember the rules beneath.

Spoiler:

~Removed~

Do NOT spread the 2chan link.
If you are to quote my post, then please ERASE THE URLS.

If you want to (re)post screenshots from 2chan, then reload them on Imageshack and copy the new link. Do NOT direct-link. 2chan pics last a few hours only and are eventually erased from the servers...and the broken url consequently leads to pages full of questionable advertisements.

I'll erase the url in a few hours (at least until the first raw pops up you-know-where) so save it somewhere while you still can.

EDIT: link removed. First raw is available you know where.

[ZippyDSM]

Originally Posted by Klashikari

I only tried Anime Yoshi and Shinsen-Subs so far.
Anime Yoshi is the fastest fansub group for KnS, but doesn't drop the quality (i'm really impressed how they can keep quality, resolution with that speed and especially file size)
They tend to keep japanese terms, which isn't bad at all, with some T/N. (though, hahaue, instead of "mother" is kinda "too" exaggerated to keep in japanese, well XD)

the only nitpicking is some "slang" (pretty rare however), and the summoning translation of Enraiha ("ideo" shouldn't be translated as "come forth!" "i summon you" instead of materialise?), probably much personal preference anyway.

Shinsen-Subs are pretty neat, with smoother font and encoding, but they are rather slow, considering the HUGE amount of anime they are subbing.

Thank you *bows*

I can stand odd nuances in fan subs better than the Americanizations in domestic DVDs while some have come a long way since the 90s some of the older ones have fallen into trends and marketing to get new viewers.

I might be overly picky too *L*
I suck :X
Off to to try Anime Yoshi ^0^