Devil May Cry V [PS4/XB1/PC]

[Kanon]

Finished the game. I enjoyed it a lot, but I feel it could have been better. For one, it was too short. With three playable characters this time, I expected it to be longer. I'm aware players are greatly encouraged to replay the game, but I'd say 30 missions would have been a better length (10 per character). More varied environments would have been nice, especially during the second half of the game. It's using a terrific engine, I would have liked to see more beautiful scenery like in DMC4.

I really liked the story, but I personally have some issues with the ending

Spoiler for Ending spoilers:

I had been waiting for it the entire game so it was pretty awesome in the heat of the moment, but Nero unlocking his devil trigger just like that felt like an asspull, since until now a devil arm was always required. Not just that, but he actually becomes stronger than Dante and Vergil who at that point were probably stronger than Sparda himself (hinted in Dante's profile). It was kind of ridiculous how easy it was to beat Vergil as him. Who could possibly pose a threat to him in the next game?

Not a fan of Dante and Vergil getting stuck in the underworld either (getting DMC2 PTSD).

Minor issue but I also found it weird Vergil didn't know Nero was his son, given that V knew he had Sparda's blood and had pinned all his hopes on him. Did he assume he was Dante's secret child instead?

As for the game's main strength, it's definitely the gameplay which is near perfect. The enemies and bosses were all great as well, they did a fantastic job there.

For the next game, I'd love a Sparda prequel. I think it's long overdue.

[Mad Pierrot]

[Shadow5YA]

Originally Posted by Kanon

Spoiler for Ending spoilers:

I had been waiting for it the entire game so it was pretty awesome in the heat of the moment, but Nero unlocking his devil trigger just like that felt like an asspull, since until now a devil arm was always required. Not just that, but he actually becomes stronger than Dante and Vergil who at that point were probably stronger than Sparda himself (hinted in Dante's profile). It was kind of ridiculous how easy it was to beat Vergil as him. Who could possibly pose a threat to him in the next game?

Spoiler for Ending spoilers:

I think it's assumed that Dante and Vergil were fatigued from fighting each other, like how Dante was weakened from his fight with Urizen. They've pulled that excuse with DMC3 too

[Kanon]

Originally Posted by Shadow5YA

Spoiler for Ending spoilers:

I think it's assumed that Dante and Vergil were fatigued from fighting each other, like how Dante was weakened from his fight with Urizen. They've pulled that excuse with DMC3 too

Spoiler for ending spoilers:

He stopped them both when they were in their strongest form though. Dante was definitely tired (I mean, he even decides to take a nap ) since he's been fighting strong foes non-stop but Vergil looked like he was in good shape. And the after credits scene show they have crazy endurance, although it may be because they're in the underworld.

[Chosen_Hero]

Originally Posted by Kanon

Finished the game. I enjoyed it a lot, but I feel it could have been better. For one, it was too short. With three playable characters this time, I expected it to be longer. I'm aware players are greatly encouraged to replay the game, but I'd say 30 missions would have been a better length (10 per character). More varied environments would have been nice, especially during the second half of the game. It's using a terrific engine, I would have liked to see more beautiful scenery like in DMC4.

I really liked the story, but I personally have some issues with the ending

Spoiler for Ending spoilers:

I had been waiting for it the entire game so it was pretty awesome in the heat of the moment, but Nero unlocking his devil trigger just like that felt like an asspull, since until now a devil arm was always required. Not just that, but he actually becomes stronger than Dante and Vergil who at that point were probably stronger than Sparda himself (hinted in Dante's profile). It was kind of ridiculous how easy it was to beat Vergil as him. Who could possibly pose a threat to him in the next game?

Not a fan of Dante and Vergil getting stuck in the underworld either (getting DMC2 PTSD).

Minor issue but I also found it weird Vergil didn't know Nero was his son, given that V knew he had Sparda's blood and had pinned all his hopes on him. Did he assume he was Dante's secret child instead?

As for the game's main strength, it's definitely the gameplay which is near perfect. The enemies and bosses were all great as well, they did a fantastic job there.

For the next game, I'd love a Sparda prequel. I think it's long overdue.

Easiest explanation I could find:

Demons/Devils use human blood to power up, you can see this with Urizen using human blood to create the Qlipoth fruit to become the new king of hell/underworld.

Dante and Vergil are 50% devils and 50% human, the human blood running through their veins is constantly powering up their devil side making half breed like them far more powerful than a full 100% devil.

Nero originally was a quarter devil, but after he loses his arm he becomes 1% devil, to the point that even the enemies love to point it out how human he is throughout the entire game. Now he has a 1% devil side being powered up by a 99% human side constantly.

So now this becomes a math problem, which do you think is getting the best power up?

A 100% percent demon. (Sparta)

A 100% demon eating a fruit made out of human blood once. (Urizen and Mundus)

A half demon (50%) that is constantly being powered up by human blood that is just at 50% it's original quality. (Dante and Vergil)

A 1% demon that is constantly being powered up by human blood that is 99% it's original quality. (Nero)

Basically, the less demon a half breed has in them, the stronger the power up they receive and their potential will also be better.

[Kanon]

I'm not sure that's how it works. Dante needed the sword Sparda's help to reach his father's level of power in DMC1 and then to surpass him in DMC5. He isn't naturally stronger than him.

[Chosen_Hero]

^When he defeated Mundus in DMC 1 he was already stronger than Sparta. Remember that Sparda never defeated Mundus he just locked the underworld/hell away. Devil Sword Sparda doesn't give him that much of a power up, the reason DSD is so powerful is because it is Dante himself.

[Kanon]

Originally Posted by Chosen_Hero

^When he defeated Mundus in DMC 1 he was already stronger than Sparta. Remember that Sparda never defeated Mundus he just locked the underworld/hell away. Devil Sword Sparda doesn't give him that much of a power up, the reason DSD is so powerful is because it is Dante himself.

I was under the impression Sparda did defeat Mundus. He just couldn't kill him, just like Dante.

But after thinking about it a bit more, the sole fact Vergil was stronger than Urizen proves you right about half-humans being stronger.

[Shadow5YA]

Originally Posted by Kanon

I was under the impression Sparda did defeat Mundus. He just couldn't kill him, just like Dante.

But after thinking about it a bit more, the sole fact Vergil was stronger than Urizen proves you right about half-humans being stronger.

Not really... it's a given Vergil would be stronger given he has both V's ingenuity and Urizen's power from the fruit.

Keep in mind Vergil didn't use to be this strong either.

[Mad Pierrot]

Just started playing the game. I wish Jump Cancelling came from the get go so that combos are easier to make, especially since Nero has less weapons than Dante

[Mad Pierrot]

So yeah, I've just finished DMC5 and understood your comments about it. The final boss felt easy in my first try but redoing it is far more challenging. Nero becoming an actual demon, something he was unable to do in DMC 4 (though the artbook shows there were plans for a demon Nero) is a bit weird. Still, I think Morihashi managed to explain well how Dante became stronger than ever. He remembered that he was impaled in DMC3 he awakened his devil self. Now that Rebellion was broken, he still used alongside Sparda (sword) to create the new Dante Sword alongside his new transformation.

About Nero's transformation, I have no idea. My wildest guest is that Yamato reacted to Nero once again (and probably the Dante sword). I mean, he even has the transporting swords again like his father and uncle. Great game, loved the fights and story though.

[Sidvanhalen]

I would like to pick this game up soon too