Nanoha Manga Discussion

[Bananoha]

Originally Posted by aers

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Spoiler for Naked Character:

MAI WAIFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU.

Are they pulling this shit again. Just like with Force vol.3....

1) Nendoroid Puchi - Ein for Vivid, Lily for Force obviously. [IF SHE'S NAKED OM--]
2) Special pamphlet/booklet
3) Limited edition comics

2011.03.31 is the cut-off date for pre-orders it seems. 2011.09.10 is when it's released.

My wallet hates me so much. 8)

[Nagumo]

Originally Posted by aers

Hey look, it's the raw with no pictures!

Spoiler for Vivid Ch. 19 Spoiler Text - Summary Edition:

シャンテがヴィヴィオに次々と斬りかかるが、ヴィヴィオはことごとくガード。どうやら
クリスが防御に全てのリソースを割り当てているらしい。
しかしそれならと、シャンテが防御の上から斬りつける…というイメージをぶつけたところで
終了。そこにディードたちがやってきて、シャンテを亀甲縛りに。
縛られたシャンテは、ヴィヴィオは格闘型にむいておらず学者や中後衛型だと忠告するつもりだったという。デ ィードは「ヴィヴィオは頭がいいし、ノーヴェもいるから大丈夫だ、問題ない。」

一方、八神家ではアインのデバイスのお披露目会。
箱をあけると中には雪豹の赤ちゃんの形をしたデバイスが。
庭で「アスティオン」（愛称ティオ）と名前をつけてセットアップ。（髪型がツインテールに）

イクスの枕元で話しかけるヴィヴィオ。シャンテの意図は理解したらしいが、格闘技が
好きだし、ノーヴェの教えてくれるストライクアーツで強くなりたいという。
クリスにも強くなろうと声をかける。

ノーヴェにヴィヴィオたちからメール。改めてやる気の出ることがあったからガンガン特訓を
つけてくれとのこと。ノーヴェはそれにこたえて、秘密特訓メニューを今夜から開始。

Spoiler for Vivid Ch. 19 Spoiler Text - All The Dialog Edition:

シャンテ「じゃあここはひとつ陛下の右側から攻めちゃおっかな」
ヴィヴィオ「右側－ホントかな？」
シャンテ「ほんとだってばー」「シスターシャンテは素直ないい子！嘘なんて－」
一瞬で後ろに回りこむシャンテ　（たまにしかつかないよ♪）ヴィヴィオに避けられる　（あれ？ ）
ヴィヴィオ（～～あッ）　「あー危なーいッッ！！」「すごいシャンテ！ほんとに見えなかったッ ！」
シャンテ　（初見のアレを避けちゃったよこの子は）
ヴィヴィオ「シャンテごめんデバイスセットしていい？」
シャンテ「ああごめんどーぞどーぞ」（偶然タイミングが合っただけ－？できればそうであってほ しいけど）
ヴィヴィオ「セイクリッドハート　コンタクトモード・セットアップ」　「オッケーおまたせ」　ステップを踏 むヴィヴィオ
シャンテ　「え？それでいいの？何か変わった？」
ヴィヴィオ「見えないところが変わってるの大丈夫だよ！」
シャンテ「そうなんだ？んじゃまあ遠慮なく－」「どーんっ！」斬りかかる
ヴィヴィオ「アクセル」「スマッシュ！」正拳突き　（凄い凄い！どうやって移動してるかホントに見えない－ ！）
シャンテ（見えてないだろうに撃ってきた－　ていうか素手で思いっきり刃面をブン殴ったよこの 子は！）
　「陛下ちょこっと撃ち合おうか？」
ヴィヴィオ「いいよ！ガンガンいこー！」
シャンテ　（なるほどそーか　陛下のデバイス…あのうさ吉ががんばってるんだ）（防衛特化の補助制御型　全 リソースを防御のサポートに集中してる）
　（言ってみれば前進に防具をつけてるようなもんだ）（だから刃物相手にも全力で撃ち込めるっ て事か）
　「うん……陛下にぴったりの優しい機体なんだね」
ヴィヴィオ「……？？」
シャンテ「だけどごめんちょっと心配な事があるんだ　試しに撃ち込むから反撃しないで防御して みて？」
ヴィヴィオ「あ…うん…」
シャンテ「双輪剣舞」
ヴィヴィオ、慌てて下がり距離をとる
シャンテ「ああさすが陛下だ　撃ちこむまでもなく見えた？」
ヴィヴィオ「防御の上から斬り落とされちゃった」
シャンテ「このへんにしとこ　怪我させずに済んでよかった」
ヴィヴィオ「うん…ありがとシャンテ」
シャンテ「実際陛下においたしたりすると双子がうるさいから…」

いきなり拘束されるシャンテ「はいいーっ！？」
オットー「シャンテ」「僕ら護衛役に話しも通さずに」
ディード「こんな場所で陛下に斬りかかるとはいい度胸ですね？」
シャンテ「いや待って待って！」
ヴィヴィオ「違うの！わたしが誘ったの！」
オットー「全く陛下はお優しい」
ディード「ですがそれとこれとは話が別です」
オットー「陛下はイクスさまへのお見舞いでいらしたのでしょう？その前に怪我でもされたらどうするおつもり ですか」
ヴィヴィオ「うう…はい…」
ディード「練習や手合わせをするなとは言いませんがちゃんとした場所でやってもらわないと困り ます」
樹に吊るされるシャンテ「ディードッ！言ってる事とやってる事のギャップッ！！」
オットー「さ参りますよ陛下」
ヴィヴィオ「あ　うん…シャンテごめんまた後で！
吊るされているシャンテ「はぁい！イクスによろしくねー」
去るヴィヴィオを見ながらディード「どういうつもりです？」
ヴィヴィオ「あ　うん…シャンテごめんまた後で！
吊るされながらふくれるシャンテ「どういうつもりもなにも「危ないよ」って教えようとしただけ だよ」
　「前々から思ってた陛下の資質」
　「あのこの体と魔力資質は「格闘型に向いてない」って事」
　「陛下の魔力資質は高速並列運用型でしょ？防御も攻撃も絶対値は決して高くない」
　「「聖王の鎧」もゆりかご事件で無くしちゃってるんでしょ？」
　「タイプとしては学者型なんだよ戦闘魔導士になるにしても中後衛型だ」
　「あのうさ吉…補助デバイスもちゃんと機能しきれてないっぽいし」
　「夢見て試合に出た陛下が武器の差で負けて叩きのめされるのなんて…見たくないよ」
相変わらず吊るされているシャンテ「こう見えてあたし結構陛下の事好きなんだよ？かわいいし優 しいしさ」

ディード「知ってますよ」「ですが陛下は聡い子ですご自分の資質は他の誰よりご存じですよ」
　「それに陛下の師匠はわたしの姉です　陛下が進むべき道をきっとちゃんと示してくれる」
　「セイクリッドハートだって高町一尉や周りの皆さんが贈った機体なんです」
　「これからもっと立派になっていきますよ」
　「つまりあなたがしようとしたのは「余計なお世話」なわけですね」
まだ吊るされているシャンテ「それはわかったけどあたしはいつまでこうされてるのかな？」

ミッドチルダ近郊　八神家
はやて「さてそんなわけでー」
　「約束の覇王の愛機が完成したんでお披露目＆お渡し会とゆーことで」

リイン＆アギト「わー！」
アインハルト「は…はいっ！」
リイン「いやーなかなか楽しいデバイス作りだったですよー」
アギト「お任せしてもらう範囲も広かったしな！気に入ってもらえっといいんだけど」
ノーヴェ「作ったのは二人で？」
アギト「ユニットベースはリインが組んで」
リイン「はやてちゃんがＡＩシステムの仕上げと調整をやってくれたですよ」
はやて「で外装はアギトの手作り！
アギト「そーなの」
アインハルト「素晴らしいまさに真正古代ベルカの特別機（エクストラワン）ですね」
3人「いやいやー♪」
アギト「あたしなりにモチーフやベースも考えてさ　ヴィヴィオやルールーに連絡してシュトゥラの歴史を調べ て作ってみたんだ」
はやて「そうクラウス陛下って豹を飼ってたって話を聞いてな」
アインハルト「あ…はい」「雪原豹はシュトゥラ地方では優秀な兵士でしたか」「クラウスたちも大切にしてい ました」
アギト「そんなわけでシュトゥラの雪原豹をモチーフに作ってみたんだ！」
ノーヴェ「え動物型？」
チンク「あまり大きいと連れ歩くのが大変では…？」
（想像しているアインハルト）
アギト「そのへんはノープロブレムだリインッ！」
リイン「はいです！」箱を出す「アインハルト開けてみてー」
（3人の心の声）　猫　？

アギト「えええっ？なんだ今の三人の心の声！？」
リイン「もしかしてイメージと違ってましたか？」
ノーヴェ「いやいやいや！」
アインハルト「いえそんな」
はやて「いやぬいぐるみ外装はちょっとしたおちゃめやったんやけど性能はちゃんと折り紙つきや でー？」
もぞもぞ動く猫（？）　「にゃあ」
アインハルト「あ…」
はやて「触れたげてアインハルト」
アインハルト（ああ温かいんだ）（ホントに生きてるみたいだ）
　「こんなかわいらしい子を私がいただいてよろしいんでしょうか？」
アギト「もちろん！」
リイン「アインハルトのために生み出した子ですから！」
はやて「マスター認証がまだやから…よかったら名前つけたげてな」
アインハルト「はい」
リイン「認証は庭でやるですよー」

アインハルト（そういえば）（オリヴィエ聖王女殿下が特に気に入ってらしたつがいがいたっけ）
（気の早いオリヴィエ殿下はいつも子が生まれる前から名前を考えてくれていて）
　（クラウスとオリヴィエ殿下の最後の年－生まれてくることができなかった子がいて）
（あの豹の子にはなんて名を贈ろうとしていたんだっけ…？）
　（思い出した－二人が好きだった物語の主人公）
　（勇気を胸に諦めずに進む小さな英雄の名前）
　「固体名称登録」「あなたの名前は「アスティオン」」「愛称（マスコットネーム）は「ティオ 」」
ティオ「にゃあー♪」
アインハルト「アスティオン」「セットアップ」

みんな「おおー」「あれ？髪型が変わってねーか？」
アインハルト「あ　そういえば」
リイン「アスティオンが調整してくれたんですよきっと」
アギト「そっちの方がいいよって」
アインハルト「そうなんですか？」
ティオ「にゃー」
はやて「さてほんならちょこちょこっと調整とかしよか？」
アインハルト「お願いします！」

イクスの見舞い中のヴィヴィオ「シャンテが心配して教えてくれたよ」
　「今のわたしのレベルで武器も持たずに出たらボロ負けだって」
　「だけどわたしは格闘戦技が好きだし…ノーヴェが教えてくれるストライクアーツで強くなりた いから」
　「クリスも一緒に頑張ろう」「強くなろう」「今よりもっと　今日よりもずっと」

チンク「どうしたノーヴェ」
ノーヴェ「いやチビたちからメール」
　「改めてやる気の出る事があったからガンガン特訓つけてくれって」
チンク「いい事だな」
ノーヴェ「ああ今日までで準備も万端明日は祝日！」
　「今夜から早速秘密特訓メニューの始まりだ！」

Now go find the dialog that matches the image Demi posted and you'll be able to figure out who it is

I guess I'll start with the Summary. If you notice something weird, give a shout.

Spoiler for Summary Translated:

Shante continues to relentlessly attack Vivio, but Vivio is completely guarded (completely on the defensive). It appears that Chris has devoted all resources to Armor.

Thus Shante came to conclusion she had attack/slash with something stronger than the armor… An (mental) image of such an attack came to a quick end. For Deed and Otto came and put a stop to Shante (… er? What the hell is亀甲縛りに supposed to be? It’s literally tortoise shell bondage, should I start questioning Deed and Otto’s night time activities with Carim?)

The tied up Shante is informed that though Vivio has some aptitude for hand to hand combat/martial arts, she is more of a scholar and mid/center rear guard type. So Shante says [Vivio has a good head on her shoulders, and Nove’s with her so she’ll be fine. Not a problem.]

Meanwhile at the Yagami household, Ein unveils the Device (she is given).
Opening the box, within it was baby snow leopard shaped device (note: SQUEEEE!!! I have got to see this!!)

In the backyard, Ein gives it the name Asteon (jap: a su ti on) (pet name/nick name Tio) during set up. (Makes her hair into twin tails)

Vivio talks by Ix’s bedside. It appears that Vivio understands/knows/figured out Shante’s intention/reason but she likes martial arts, and says she wants to become stronger by learning Nove’s Strike Arts. Chris also chimes in by saying ‘let’s get stronger’

Nove sends an email to Vivio and the others. It says that she knows they’re serious and wants go full out with a special/intensive training on them. Nove gets her answer back from them, and immediately starts an important special training menu right that evening.

[Akiyoshi]

Again ...HURRAY FOR CONTEXT!!!

[00-Raiser]

Ah, I figured that page would be something imaginary. Kaijo can attest to this

[mielipuoli]

Not quite imaginary I figure, but more just Shante going bonkers offensively just before getting taken down by the others. And I wonder what that means about her character - I imagine it's a case of "I'm not going to simply roll over and let you win, I respect you as our holy figure but that means I can't job it so I'm going to do my utmost" perhaps. I doubt Schach and Carim would let someone actually bloodthirsty even be eligible for the tournament, and this isn't that kind of story anyway.

There will probably be giant wibbly-eyed tears from Shante after she realizes she might have gone a little overboard without meaning to - but it'll be a friendship point between them, "hey you're really awesome, I guess I still have stuff to learn, let's be friends" from Vivio after getting slammed like that. Hey, gotta get the girlposse together somehow, right? And Befriending works both ways, either the served or the server...

...you all know you're going to be sniffling at any scene with Signum in it from now on, don't you.

[Nagumo]

Originally Posted by mielipuoli

Not quite imaginary I figure, but more just Shante going bonkers offensively just before getting taken down by the others. And I wonder what that means about her character - I imagine it's a case of "I'm not going to simply roll over and let you win, I respect you as our holy figure but that means I can't job it so I'm going to do my utmost" perhaps. I doubt Schach and Carim would let someone actually bloodthirsty even be eligible for the tournament, and this isn't that kind of story anyway.

There will probably be giant wibbly-eyed tears from Shante after she realizes she might have gone a little overboard without meaning to - but it'll be a friendship point between them, "hey you're really awesome, I guess I still have stuff to learn, let's be friends" from Vivio after getting slammed like that. Hey, gotta get the girlposse together somehow, right? And Befriending works both ways, either the served or the server...

...you all know you're going to be sniffling at any scene with Signum in it from now on, don't you.

The impression I got from reading some of the dialogue is that Shante really really hates losing... even if it is against the head of your religion.

It's kind of like that "Courage Wolf" poster I saw on /fit/ a few days ago.

'Climb up a mountain, and punch god in the face'

Note: No never mind, i was reading some of the lines randomly out of context. She doesn't hate losing.

[Akiyoshi]

Originally Posted by mielipuoli

...you all know you're going to be sniffling at any scene with Signum in it from now on, don't you.

How the hell did you know that *sniff*

[Tiresias]

...so the cute nun is actually a blood knight?

now I really like this girl. Fix the blasphemy part and she would make a great Sister of Battle Of course if she is going to actually face the title character there's no way she would win, but I hope that she would at least make it a pyrrhic one for Vivo

[XenahortCharybdis]

Originally Posted by Nagumo

I guess I'll start with the Summary. If you notice something weird, give a shout.

Spoiler for Summary Translated:

Shante continues to relentlessly attack Vivio, but Vivio is completely guarded (completely on the defensive). It appears that Chris has devoted all resources to Armor.

Thus Shante came to conclusion she had attack/slash with something stronger than the armor… An (mental) image of such an attack came to a quick end. For Deed and Otto came and put a stop to Shante (… er? What the hell is亀甲縛りに supposed to be? It’s literally tortoise shell bondage, should I start questioning Deed and Otto’s night time activities with Carim?)

The tied up Shante is informed that though Vivio has some aptitude for hand to hand combat/martial arts, she is more of a scholar and mid/center rear guard type. So Shante says [Vivio has a good head on her shoulders, and Nove’s with her so she’ll be fine. Not a problem.]

Meanwhile at the Yagami household, Ein unveils the Device (she is given).
Opening the box, within it was baby snow leopard shaped device (note: SQUEEEE!!! I have got to see this!!)

In the backyard, Ein gives it the name Asteon (jap: a su ti on) (pet name/nick name Tio) during set up. (Makes her hair into twin tails)

Vivio talks by Ix’s bedside. It appears that Vivio understands/knows/figured out Shante’s intention/reason but she likes martial arts, and says she wants to become stronger by learning Nove’s Strike Arts. Chris also chimes in by saying ‘let’s get stronger’

Nove sends an email to Vivio and the others. It says that she knows they’re serious and wants go full out with a special/intensive training on them. Nove gets her answer back from them, and immediately starts an important special training menu right that evening.

And Nove-sensei kickboxes into high gear. Whoo-hoo.

Anyway, Tortoise Shell Bind is something of a overused bind maneuver in anime/H series, and is known to be super effective against the fairer sex to the point of ludicrousness...and with some side effects to boot.

Otto was always capable of this, though -it is, after all, a binding spell-, just that she probably got more, should I say, 'creative' with her methods after receiving sufficient re-education in the "custom preferences" of otakus worldwide for the creation of ViVid. Which, of course, means that I don't see this as a welcome change - damn fanservice.

[Justin_Brett]

Originally Posted by mielipuoli

...you all know you're going to be sniffling at any scene with Signum in it from now on, don't you.

Nah, I just compensate with twice the rage any time Cypha appears or is mentioned.

Surprisingly, it's not that hard.

[Tiresias]

Originally Posted by XenahortCharybdis

Anyway, Tortoise Shell Bind is something of a overused bind maneuver in anime/H series, and is known to be super effective against the fairer sex to the point of ludicrousness...and with some side effects to boot.

Otto was always capable of this, though -it is, after all, a binding spell-, just that she probably got more, should I say, 'creative' with her methods after receiving sufficient re-education in the "custom preferences" of otakus worldwide for the creation of ViVid. Which, of course, means that I don't see this as a welcome change - damn fanservice.

...so apparently Belkan Nuns studies bondage as part of their curriculum? What in the name of the Sankt Kaiser inspired the mangaka of such? I doubt Japanese Mikos were trained in such acts?

Spoiler for Someone took this parody waaay to seriously:

[00-Raiser]

There's a reason why people are tied up using those methods during bondage play. It's because they, ya know, work. Just because we're more familiar with them from sexual fetishes doesn't mean they aren't legitimate ways to restrain some one.

[Kaijo]

While you have a point, Raiser, we are dealing with magical binds, not rope, so simple wrist and ankle binds would do it. Perhaps wrap the body, pinning arms to the side would do, to. :P

But yes, apparently we get bondage of an underage nun. Nope, not aiming for a trifecta of porn fetishes here, no sirree!

We already had the clothing damage; which fetish will we get for our fanservice next?

[00-Raiser]

It's not like the mere existance of magical retraints wasn't enough to stimulate the imaginations of bondage fetishists in the first place (not to mention doujinshi artists)

[XenahortCharybdis]

Originally Posted by 00-Raiser

It's not like the mere existance of magical retraints wasn't enough to stimulate the imaginations of bondage fetishists in the first place (not to mention doujinshi artists)

Does "teasing the slavering reader as they drool for more" ring a bell to you?

In Starcraft we have Zerg Creep, in games we have Power Creep; and by Creepy coincidence -and in no way is this a pun, in fanservice we have Porno Creep...

...And that, it seems, is the way things work - everything falling to the next most convenient vice

[Jimmy C]

The chinese group took an unusually long time to scanlate Vivid 18. But they finally did it. The interesting thing is that no one is realistically expecting the kids (Vivio, Corona, Rio and Einhart) to do better than entering the Mid-Childa world-level tornament, including the kids themselves.
Oh, and Mid-Childa is apparently divided into 17 administrative districts. From which 20 representatives will be selected (where do the other 3 come from?) These plus last year's City Tornament Champion will take part in the City Tornament. The winner will be Mid-Childa's representative in the World Championship Tornament.

[al103]

Originally Posted by Jimmy C

Oh, and Mid-Childa is apparently divided into 17 administrative districts. From which 20 representatives will be selected (where do the other 3 come from?)

Not all districts have same population (I bet Kranagan can realistically field four), previous year champion as free slot, etc, etc...

[Nightengale]

If it goes by general sports rules, some districts get more than one representative. In other situations where the games are held in host cities, they have the advantage of an invitational slot for another competitor/city representative.

Plus there's the need to consider whether or not Belka SAR is considered within those 17, or among the extra 3.

[Nagumo]

Originally Posted by Nagumo

The impression I got from reading some of the dialogue is that Shante really really hates losing... even if it is against the head of your religion.

It's kind of like that "Courage Wolf" poster I saw on /fit/ a few days ago.

'Climb up a mountain, and punch god in the face'

Note: No never mind, i was reading some of the lines randomly out of context. She doesn't hate losing.

Great... People are now running around thinking Shante is a blood knight...

Guys, I made a mistake, I accidentally put the dialogue in another file that had other japanese stuff that I had meant to read in the future.

so the two got mixed up. That's why I was under impression that Shante was someone who 'really really' hated losing.

[Jimmy C]

Additional info from Corona's character file, she's known Vivio since First Grade.