2010-08-20, 18:00 | Link #16581 | |
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He does say however that his envy for Battler and Jessica pushed him into hating women, which Battler left him alone for 6 years with. So he might be bitter toward Battler or resent Jessica and Shannon for sexist reasons or he might actually enjoy Jessica's company for her tomboyish attitude. At this point I'm thinking that there at least three obstacles that could get in his way.
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2010-08-20, 18:02 | Link #16582 |
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I still can't bring myself to blame him for it, which in combination with the (in my opinion) unsatisfactory development of the (I believe valid) excuses makes her seem pitiful and irrational.
Which is perfectly fine... so long as she's not the culprit. What bothers me is that whether Shkanon is true or not, why is Kanon rebelling against Beatrice in the first two episodes? Whether he's her or not, shouldn't he already know what she is, how she got where she's going, and what she's up to? And how can he even oppose it if so (assuming no DID, because with DID it becomes stop-hitting-yourself)? If it's because "Kanon was getting in the way, so he was eliminated," that just makes his existence even more extraneous. Shannon, of course, defies Beatrice as well, but I don't see what makes her existence any more or less problematic even taking all of that as metaphor, and she's not required to disappear like he is.
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2010-08-20, 18:18 | Link #16583 | ||
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I was smacking my head because of Will's remark. For me a mystery does not need a happy end at all. It's rather the opposite, the more horrible the revelations the better...so I just hope we won't get a terribly cheesy, magical solution for a happy end. Quote:
We could assume that he started existing for Jessica (from the point they decided against being 家具) and her dying made him obsolete. But it wouldn't explain why those two seem to coincide with each other in this Episode. If he served as a cover for the one who killed her, why didn't it happen that way in other Episodes or why did he vanish in other Episodes but did not 'kill her'? I'm still trying to find a way for the scenes involving Kanon to be not pure fiction, but just a way to cover up an actual event...but that somehow doesn't add up if he is purely fabricated. Which sadly brings me back to him being Asumu's Battler...
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2010-08-20, 18:26 | Link #16584 | |
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Perhaps a good ending would involve Battler surviving too, and maybe Lyon as well.
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2010-08-20, 18:31 | Link #16585 | |
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2010-08-20, 19:13 | Link #16586 |
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2010-08-20, 19:14 | Link #16587 | |
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Since this is foreshadowed in Ange's wish, it's very possible... Super Happy Ending: "Let my family come home." Impossible, or at least very heavily trampled upon by ep7. Bittersweet Compromise Ending: "Or at least let my brother." After the ep7 Tea Party, this one's red flagged like hell. My gut tells me Battler has got to get through this. The more folks who also survive, the worse things go from there. As funny as the "everyone faked their deaths" idea is, it would be awful for Ange. Unless ryukishi spins it as the greatest prank of all time and even Ange's role was acted out brilliantly. It might take something like that to surprise Bernkastel.
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2010-08-20, 19:37 | Link #16588 | |
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This is my first post on these forums, since Ive been bothered to get an account registered, and that being said, Ive been suspecting that George is the culprit since I finished reading Episode 4. Episode 6 confirmed the circumstances of George's state of mind for me, at the very least, so it's certainly not implausible at this stage. |
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2010-08-21, 06:14 | Link #16591 |
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The thing is, technically speaking, a 19th person was indeed mentioned several times in the first four games. In addition, Shannon and Kanon were introduced, which, again, technically speaking are this person. Not to mention that we got that flashback from 19 years ago in EP3, and some people did theorise about the possibility of a 3rd Beatrice. So, this person from 19 years ago is nothing obscure, and was indeed hinted.
Moreover, EP7 spent a large amount of focus on Yasu/Lyon to say the whole thing was false.
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2010-08-21, 06:28 | Link #16592 |
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Technically speaking, a Beatrice-3 person was hypothesised by the characters right off the bat and kept being talked about for the entirety of the text. So was a mysterious servant that "fell from the stairs" and was hurt (but not died) for disparaging Beatrice -- that story comes up in almost every episode.
There are no logical chains I am aware of not relying on unfounded speculation that allow to conclude that a) this mysterious servant story is the same as the "Rosa kills Beatrice-2" story from Ep3, and b) that a child of Beatrice-3 exists. That's not to say that unfounded speculation has no use, I lean back on it often, but I can't say that I find the conclusions in this case satisfying and the "man from 19 years ago" does not appear to mesh well with the first four episodes.
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2010-08-21, 06:44 | Link #16594 |
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Rosa's story is the contention point here.
On one hand, Will uses it as an argument in favour of equating the servant accident with Beatrice-3. On the other hand, it is radically different despite structural similarities, and cannot possibly happen this way if the man-from-19-years-ago stories are true.
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2010-08-21, 07:47 | Link #16599 | |
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She's the second form Beato had in Yasu's head. That, and R07 was probably lazy. There's enough copy-paste of faces in EP7.
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2010-08-21, 09:05 | Link #16600 |
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Yeah, but... I mean
Beato (Meta Beatrice) Dress-Beatrice Suit-Beatrice Beatrice 2 ("The human") Beatrice 1 (The original human?) Virgilia ("Predecessor Beatrice") Moetrice Beatrice the elder EVA-Beatrice ANGE-Beatrice MARIA-Beatrice Beatrice reborn Plus whatever you get in ep7... I mean, soon you'd be able to do a ceremony using only Beatrices. |
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