[MANGA] Espadas' Ranking

[Kallen4life]

well, you're entitled to your opinion



also, I'm 99% positive that Zommari (#7) either
1) lied about him being the fastest Espada
2) he simply doesn't know what the top 3-4 are capable of .. I always kinda got this impression Aizen didn't give a rat's ass about #5-10, he cared (well, somewhat) about the 1-3(4), possibly because only they are VL .. Grimm is Adjuhas and logic dictates anyone under him (7 & 8 in this case) are Adjuhas too .. #9 is Gillian .. Nnoitra I don't know, I'd say Adjuhas .. Ulqu is probably VL

Zommari could match Byakuya for some time, but that's it .. and Byakuya isn't even the fastest (Yoruichi and Bankai (w/o mask) Ichigo are faster or Ichigo is equal .. quite possibly Kyouraku & Soi-Fong as well, maybe Ukitake .. that's obviously not counting Aizen & Yama-jii)


there's no way #7 Zommari is faster or even equal speed as #1 Starrk

hell, Ulquiorra & even Grimmjow contest (Grimm kept pace /w Bankai Masked Ichigo)



I'm much more willing to believe Nnoitra's toughest Hierro claim - it's more plausible coming from #5 and he kinda proved it forcing Kenpachi to go kendo





however, if the ranks are based on reiatsu, then that at least justifies Yammy's #0 position - he's like the Hulk of Bleach

[secretzfan]

actually it was confirmed it was reatsu

[Kallen4life]

ok, whatever

[Mr. DJ]

speed != power anyhow

while Zommari is the fastest, he's only 7th in power.

Even if he's slightly faster, he will still get his shit rocked by the Espada that are stronger than him.

Example: Rukia was faster than Yammisaurus and we saw what happened to her...

I don't even know why hierros were even bothered being thought up, they became moot quickly...

[secretzfan]

I'll give him this Starrk is one of the most bad ass

[roriconfan]

VL = more powerful than a captain
VL arrancar = more powerful that VL

Starrk was beaten by.... O_o

[Kallen4life]

that about VL being stronger then a captain was liez methinks


also, Shunsui is probably the strongest captain after Yama-jii/Aizen (Ukitake is sick .. and Unohana doesn't fight .. Byakuya still has room to improve) + his Shikai is broken, just like all illusion types

[secretzfan]

Based on what I have this fixes all that if you think about it Starrk was stronger in reatsu that was it so it could just mean that VL's have more reatsu than a captain

[demonkevy666]

3: Halibel is the only one I know was confrimed to be VL.

[sayde]

Kubo confirmed what the manga & anime didn't get a chance to. Most of the Espada were VL's. But even without confirmation, it's safe to assume Barry and Stark were definitely among them.

[kitten320]

For me Stark did nothing impressing in order to be 1.

[sayde]

Fortunately for Stark, rankings were based on a relatively unimpressive quality. Though I do agree. In fact, I'd say most of us would argue Barry to be most worthy of #1 for having the 3rd cheapest ability in the series.

[roriconfan]

Gee, a Lich with a huge black cloak and a crown full of jewels, sitting on an impressive throne, surrounded by numerous fracchio, entering the field in the most cool way possible, killing anything that goes near it... Why would that beat a cowboy and a loli?

[Kallen4life]

Originally Posted by secretzfan

Based on what I have this fixes all that if you think about it Starrk was stronger in reatsu that was it so it could just mean that VL's have more reatsu than a captain

good point

But even without confirmation, it's safe to assume Barry and Stark were definitely among them.

+1




Starrk = love .. speed, instant Cero, attitude - win

though Barry's relased Lich King form does look cool


though I generally liked all Espada except Zommari .. gj here, Kubo .. too bad they all kicked the bucket

[secretzfan]

Originally Posted by kitten320

For me Stark did nothing impressing in order to be 1.

Originally Posted by sayde

Fortunately for Stark, rankings were based on a relatively unimpressive quality. Though I do agree. In fact, I'd say most of us would argue Barry to be most worthy of #1 for having the 3rd cheapest ability in the series.

Kubo ranked the Espada by reatsu but in strength it is like this

9- Aerionerio- Gillain
8- Syzael- Weak- Only Vice captain
7- Zommari- Weak aduchas maybe can near captain
6- Grimmjow- The second strongest Adjuchas
5- Nnoritra- Strongest Aduchas unless he is actually a VL
4- Tia- The weakest VL
3- Starrk- VL- Stronger than Tia
2. Yammy- Aduchas yet has a second resurection
1- Ulquirra- Vostos Lordes with a second resurection
0- Barragan- The power of age is greater than Yammy and Ulquirra
I think those with second resurrection can surpass those with only one however Barragan is different

[Anubis62]

Originally Posted by sayde

Kubo confirmed what the manga & anime didn't get a chance to. Most of the Espada were VL's. But even without confirmation, it's safe to assume Barry and Stark were definitely among them.

No, Kubo said that they are Vasto Lorde Level.
Unless you have explicit confirmation, all we've heard is a comparison on "Level", not actuality.
"VL Level" does not necessarily mean "VL".

[secretzfan]

Originally Posted by Anubis62

No, Kubo said that they are Vasto Lorde Level.
Unless you have explicit confirmation, all we've heard is a comparison on "Level", not actuality.
"VL Level" does not necessarily mean "VL".

TOP 4 are Vl end it
5 and down aren't soem like Syzael and Zommari are om the level Grimmjow being one of them

[Kallen4life]

No, Kubo said that they are Vasto Lorde Level.
Unless you have explicit confirmation, all we've heard is a comparison on "Level", not actuality.
"VL Level" does not necessarily mean "VL".

you mean like arrancar (possibly Adjuhas or even Gllian) post Hougyokification = plain hollow VL (non-Arrancar) .. because Arrancar > plain Hollow

same strength ?

or what ?


or that the strongest Hollow Adjuhas can match or exceed the weakest VL Hollow ?

[Anubis62]

Originally Posted by Kallen4life

you mean like arrancar (possibly Adjuhas or even Gllian) post Hougyokification = plain hollow VL (non-Arrancar) .. because Arrancar > plain Hollow

same strength ?

or what ?


or that the strongest Hollow Adjuhas can match or exceed the weakest VL Hollow ?

I have no opinion on that. As you can imagine, I don't compare power levels in Bleach.
I'm simply stating the fact that Kubo didn't tell us they WERE Vasto Lorde, since people tend to forget that fact.

[sayde]

IMO:
9- Aerionerio- Gillain solo'd by Rukia of all people - nuff said
8- Syzael - Though I don't think he's weak. He took on Renji and Ishida at the same time with relative ease. And if nothing else, I don't see him losing to someone like Komamura, thus making him captain level IMO.
7 - Grimmjow - has no cheap abilities. He's just got a lot of strength and a lot of speed. He also was probably a VL since he was confirmed to have the potential to become one and Kubo confirmed that *most* of the Espada are.
6 - Noi - Once again, has no noticeably cheap abilities to speak of. But strength and reiatsu are above Grimm's. Probably a VL.
5 - Harribel - Has more reiastu than Noi. But unfortnately, also has no noticeably cheap abilities.
4 - Stark - Has the 2nd highest confirmed reiatsu lvl and a pretty useful ability (homing cero's/Kamikaze ghost-wolf attack), though it's not incredibly cheap
3 - Ulquiorra - Insane strength and speed through lvl2 resurrección and possibly higher reiatsu lvl than Stark.
2 - Yammy - for having almost unlimited strength and reiatsu.
1 - Zommari - Lets face it. Without plot protection, this guy can plausibly beat anyone. All he literally has to do is use Resurrección and look at his opponents head with one of his 50 eyes. Once that's done, he can just manipulate the opponent into either killing themself or standing still while he does the job. Similar to how Tousen lost to Kenpachi, Zommari had opportunities for easy wins and passed them up to do something stupid. But realistically, this ability is just plain cheap. The only reason I can't rank this guy #1 is because his ability definitely has ways around it. And since it's Kido based, it means Barry's breath might even be able to negate it somehow.
0 - Barry - death breath pwns - period.

Originally Posted by Anubis62

No, Kubo said that they are Vasto Lorde Level.
Unless you have explicit confirmation, all we've heard is a comparison on "Level", not actuality.
"VL Level" does not necessarily mean "VL".

You realize your entire point rest on nothing but semantics and interpretation? Vasto Lorde level could either mean:
1.) Most of them were as strong as Vasto Lordes
2.) Most of them were Vasto Lorde "Level" (since you know...Vasto Lorde is an actual "Level" within the menos class.)

When you consider how Hallibel was once a weakling in comparison to an adjuchas level arrancar (who wasn't even a member of the Espada), it's safe to assume ALL of the Espada are well beyond VL level in terms of strength--this includes Aerionerio. Hell, even the Privaron Espada were likely Vasto Lorde "level" in terms of strength. So if Kubo meant most of them were VL "Level" in terms of strength, not only would it be an incorrect statement, but it'd be irrelevant too. This means when Kubo states Vasto Lorde "Level" he's most likely referring to the menos class "Level" they managed to evolve to. I'll even go a step further by stating that I think every single one of the final 10 Espada (with the exception of #9) were VL's.