2012-02-04, 13:35 | Link #19421 |
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And so....will nothing happen?
Russia, China reject UN move to rebuke Syrian president http://worldnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news...rian-president Of course that begs the question...is there another side to the story that make it make sense why Russia and China would veto action while the 13 other members voted for it?
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2012-02-04, 13:39 | Link #19422 | |
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Syria is one of Russia's largest costumers when it comes to arms trade.
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2012-02-04, 13:45 | Link #19423 |
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The UN is damned no matter what it does. If it moved too quickly to interfere, then people would say that it is a fascist organization that is all too quick to meddle in other countries and impose their culture, values, and political institutions. It's not a perfect organization, but it serves an important purpose (as DonQuigleone pointed out).
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2012-02-04, 13:51 | Link #19424 | |
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you could replace the UN with a facebook page and it would work just as well. it might even be better as the world can see who "friending" with who.
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2012-02-04, 15:13 | Link #19425 | |
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They do not want to risk the consciousness of Syria's people spreading to their own countries. Therefore, they say that the idea of other nations interceding in Syria is bad because they very, very, much want to avoid supporting the idea that rulers can be called to account, either by external forces or by their own people. When Obama says a regime that "massacres its people does not deserve to govern", what do you expect China to think? |
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2012-02-04, 15:32 | Link #19426 | |
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As for Arab spring, probably you have not been paying any attention to Egypt recently? I bet they are doing very good now, right? Do you even remember what Clinton said before Egypt went beyond the boiling point? Why is the US still supporting Kings a.k.a dictators in the Mideast?
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2012-02-04, 15:58 | Link #19427 | |
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2012-02-04, 16:00 | Link #19428 | |
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last week, in Egypt, around 80 people were killed in a riot over a fucking game of soccer. sometimes, nations just snap.
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2012-02-04, 16:10 | Link #19429 |
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And some are claiming that that particular event isn't as clear cut as most make it out to be. I've seen some saying it might have some sort of political basis behind it and the soccer game was just an excuse.
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2012-02-04, 16:14 | Link #19430 |
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Less than an hour before I'm now writing this post, there was a 5.4 earthquake off the coast of Canada's Vancouver Island.
This doesn't seem like such a big deal on its own (though it is a bit larger than most earthquakes), but people across the Pacific Rim should be concerned about the local earthquake fault, the Cascadia Subduction Zone. Forget California, this is the place where they say North America is most vulnerable to a quake on the scale of the Tohoku disaster, since it's a subduction fault as opposed to the strike-slip San Andreas Fault. For instance, there were no records kept of the 1700 Cascadia quake since the local Indians didn't have written language, but we know from Japanese records that it generated a tsunami there. Fortunately, earthquakes above 8 only tend to occur about once a year, and of course it hasn't been a whole year since Tohoku yet. But then that occurred not long after the one-year anniversary of the 2010 Chile quake... I'm no geologist, but I think we should keep close eyes on the Pacific Northwest this year...and any year that there isn't a major earthquake. |
2012-02-04, 16:18 | Link #19431 | |
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I follow Occam's razor, and believe that the simpler explanation is the true one. a people, who have spent decades being oppressed by a dictatorial and VERY control centered regime, suddenly and violently break out of the pen they've been locked in for so long, and still haven't gotten it out of their system yet. its human nature to swing from one extreme to the next before finding a middle ground.
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2012-02-04, 16:28 | Link #19432 |
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Sporting events seem to cause these sorts of things to happen for some reason all over the planet. Be in Brazil, Egypt, France, Canada, anywhere. Sometimes we have riots whether the Oakland Raiders win or lose.
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2012-02-04, 16:45 | Link #19433 |
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Frankly I don't know and many people don't know what happened.
I do have some questions though. That infamous police force that supported the regime.....where is it and what are they doing now? I can't really give any advice to the protestors. But many analysts have made this point. As dirty as the Army seems, a lot of Joe Q Egypt (i.e. NOT the ones out protesting) will start to reluctantly back the Armed Forces in some way or another in order to gain a semblance of control. Egypt is not just Tahrir Square you know, that was shown in the elections. Here's an example of division of viewpoints on the revolution; http://www.time.com/time/video/playe...105488,00.html I really hope they get their act together in teh next 10-20 years or so, it's a great country, people and culture, they deserve a good government and civil democracy. It could be a beacon for the rest of the Middle East. Last edited by solomon; 2012-02-04 at 16:58. |
2012-02-04, 16:49 | Link #19434 |
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Go to college free in exchange for portion of your salary later.....hmm
http://moneyland.time.com/2012/02/02...st-of-college/ |
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Whether or not Russia and China would have veto power in this new system you've suggested is what would make the dfference in this situation. So let me just clarify one thing just to make sure: Are you actually talking abut Syria here? Quote:
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... Although I am more inclined to believe there was something political going on there, it's not actually that farfecthed that a football riot could cause this if there were no police or authorities around. (To be honest though I have no idea what actually happened.)
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2012-02-04, 17:00 | Link #19436 |
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Isn't this just due to Russia and China having big time economic investments in Syria and don't want that disrupted.
Chinese are understandable. However, I don't really remember a large opposition by Russia against Libyian action. |
2012-02-04, 17:01 | Link #19437 | |
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2012-02-04, 17:26 | Link #19440 | |
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It should also be noted that as a result of the Libya revolution 60m barrels of oil had to be released from the strategic reserve so it was in everyone's best interest to stop that civil war pronto... If it had dragged on and on it could have had bigger impacts on the oil trade and general global economy... The price of oil at the time was about $120 a barrel which is more than enough to induce a recession. The last thing the western world needed... |
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