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2012-12-21, 05:49 | Link #6762 | |
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Bottomline, these wounds were quite fatal for most people, and Cypha had no way of knowing Signum would survive them at all. I therefore find it very hard to believe Cypha "spared" Signum. Additionally, any mercy towards the bureau would have only come into play after this battle, as prior to that they had no reason to be gentle. Now that Thoma is a close friend of them, they do. Curren doesn't want to antagonize Thoma, so she cuts the TSAB some slack. |
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2012-12-21, 09:14 | Link #6763 | |
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With a relatively quick google search, the best I can find on stab wounds is this peer-reviewed research paper, that analyzed various stab wounds and their mortality factor. Throat and chest stab wounds were more fatal, but even then, only a small fraction of those died. While stomach stab wounds weren't addressed per se, they did mention cardiac stabbings as considerably more survivable. And their lack of mention of stomach wounds is significant, because they were looking at mortality, and thus stomach wounds weren't seen as mortal.
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And what do you want, anyway? Do you want a special chapter to showing the team studying the book and going, "Hmm, anything yet?" "Nope, nothing yet!" That would be rather boring. You can rest assured that study of the book is going on in the background, just like Shamal told you, and that when they have something to report, it will be reported. Normally, I'm all about having the audience shown important things. However, this isn't one of them. You seem obsessed with seeing pointless, boring things, as if that would somehow add something to it. |
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2012-12-21, 10:42 | Link #6764 |
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Stomach wounds aren’t fatal but we already establish Signum suffer two other slashes on the chest and we don’t know how deep those were, besides falling from that high she could easy break her spine and neck, which as far as I know should be lethal or could be. Then again Isis had her neck broken and didn’t seem to bother her so what the hell?
I am afraid no. Not here, the Relic logic doesn’t really work. Let me explain. The Relics were just power and by the end not even a key power to do anything, really. I mean yes, brainwash Vivio but to be fair Jail could do that without the Relics so really pointless there. But the Silver Cross isn’t the same, and it wasn’t present as the same. You see they all wanted the Silver Cross, hey even Veyron ask for it when he meet Thoma… and then he go for no good reasons. Ok maybe that wasn’t a good example but I am trying to make a point here. You see Thoma isn’t important by himself he is important because he can use the Silver Cross and has the Cero factor. But again, this is the jackpot the Hückebein want and they let the SD6 takes it because they can take it back later… so maybe it wasn’t that important after all, right? But at the beginning it was important and they were all out to get it back. And I am just saying of Thoma now is so centric to the Eclipse why he has been cast aside this much. Now is all about Harids and his evil plans which involve somehow the Eclipse and the AEC weapons but not the Silver Cross since the Grendel didn’t even care about it. Wasn’t that the jackpot? What I mean, and what is my complain, is that the Silver Cross has done nothing so far and even Thoma having it still makes him a pussy who can’t archive nothing. This is what all the case should be focus, no? the key to the Eclipse and is being just there without adding to the story. Then why is even there? If you think about it, we can remove Thoma and the Silver Cross and still have all the other characters move around but then again we are tell Thoma is key to this case, then how he can be a key part if he isn’t important to resolve anything so far? Yes, I will like to see a chapter when they study the Silver Cross, but I want to see them: “Have anything yet?” and then “Actually yes, we are now understanding more the Eclipse, how it works, why only affect some people and kill other and maybe even a cure” I mean doing something with the damn thing. Instead we have Shamal mention it, never being the matter up again and 3 months in a row where nothing happen. And that is the problem I have, you Kaijo say it yourself, this is boring and pointless but it should not be. This is just showing how poor Force is as a story that can’t remain with a single focus. Thoma should be still running and dealing with the powers of the Silver Cross, he being take by SD6 kill the story, because it should start to work to its end but now is stuck with no development to that arc in order to end the Hückebein’s one. I sense that as a flaw of Force. That is my point, how this should not be playing low, why? Because the Silver Cross is crucial to this case and now it isn’t but if its later brought back to light, why it wasn’t important in the mean time?
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2012-12-21, 11:59 | Link #6765 |
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You know, why didn't they look for history records? If it truly originated in Ancient Belka, then there's bound to be a mention. Even if it's minor, they could find out where was it sighted, then travel there to look for more clues.
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2012-12-21, 12:34 | Link #6769 | |
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The relic was implanted in her, in order to set her up as the "king" of the cradle. It was Quattro's illusion abilities that tricked Vivio into fighting Nanoha. Also, it wasn't just the book, Veyron wanted both Divider 994 and Strosek, which the book is connected to. Thoma became a target due to being of a person of interest by the SDS6 and simply being an infected by the Huckebein.
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2012-12-21, 12:53 | Link #6770 | |
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Medical accuaracy in fiction is all over the place. Fictional characters can survive impossible deeds like falling from the sky while other times they can simply die from a bullet in the stomach (in fact it's very cliche that people dies from bullets in the stomach in action movies, heck they die from stabs caused by POCKET KNIVES xDU). Signum's impalement goes trough her entire torso (specifically adressed in the manga she suffered spine injuries because of that) and as Keroko pointed out, the kind of blade Cypha used was a very wide one ...thus wider the injury and greater/quicker the loss of blood. We have seen tons of evildoers in fiction manically laughing and declaring the death of another character after stabbing or shooting them in several places other than the head xDU Why is Cypha suddenly different xD? Fictional injuries are as pragmatic as you say only when it's needed to get rid of a character without any doubts (or when the writer want's to showoff a character's immortality like Cell or Alucard xDU). Otherwise injuries are intended to be dramatic, otherwise villains whould be decapitatin heroes or ripping their hearts out of their chests all the freking time xDU
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2012-12-21, 16:32 | Link #6771 | |
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2012-12-21, 19:43 | Link #6773 |
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Agreed. I belive Signum could die and Cypha didn't care what happen to her. But if she wanted to make sure she will make it then the last attack was overkill, risking to go too far and actually killing the person they don't want to kill or so it seems. I will belive Cypha did try to kill Signum and the last survive because she is just awesome like that
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2012-12-21, 20:56 | Link #6775 | |
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Yes, I will like to see a chapter when they study the Silver Cross, but I want to see them: “Have anything yet?” and then “Actually yes, we are now understanding more the Eclipse, how it works, why only affect some people and kill other and maybe even a cure” I mean doing something with the damn thing. Instead we have Shamal mention it, never being the matter up again and 3 months in a row where nothing happen.[/QUOTE] Three months our time. Considerably less in their time frame. So, you think everything should be instantly analyzable in the time frame of one day? Hell, they didn't even fully understand the relics, despite having quite a few of those in their possession! I want you to analyze and explain the frequency range the LHC found for the possible Higgs Boson. Both frequencies. Come back ready to answer any questions. *THAT* is what these characters are dealing with: ancient advanced technology that is light years beyond them. They aren't going to understand it in a day. or even three months. And *when* they figure something out about it, they'll let you know. But being patient is hard, no? Just a point of clarification... but this isn't the standard court we'd be concerned with. Or rather, perhaps the court of public opinion. When the US tries to contain a mob or something in Afghanistan or Iraq, and kills a local, they get mighty peeved. So the US tries to use non-lethal methods, even if that injures, as they just hope they can heal up the injuries after. Sure, the populace will be upset... but not as much as if some locals had been killed. |
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2012-12-21, 21:39 | Link #6776 |
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No, I mean three months on their time. You see Isis says on the first pages on chapter 20 that it has been 2 months and a half since she became a public officer… so, in all that time the Hückebein just sit and do nothing, the SD6 just sit and did nothing and Vandin just sit and did nothing. You know for all that crap about reading and keeping my facts you tell me Kaijo, you seem to be forgetting others yourself. Is that time skip what bothers me the most, and why I say they aren’t doing anything. And even if they were the focus of he story is no longer Thoma and him being something but rather Hardis and his evil plans while the Hückebein just want revenge or something.
And what I mean by Thoma being a pussy is this: he gets beaten by Kart Grendel. And when I guy who looks like a reject rock-star beats you, then you can assume your carrier is almost over. Besides we do seem him being unable to perform as Nanoha or even the Forwards after seeing almost unstoppable at the beginning, fighting Nanoha one on one. Is that need to are more characters and all being weaker than Nanoha what makes each generation of protagonist even lamer than the previous ones. And the Jewel Seeds were a key part on Precia’s plans, she wanted to use them to go to Al-Hazard and force everything with just 9 because she was running out of time. Of course, facts only seem to be taking in to consideration when you mention them Kaijo, because when I do, it doesn’t seem to matter to you, just saying you are giving me the impression you want just to negate everything I say rather than add to it or just give another take on the matter.
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2012-12-21, 21:42 | Link #6777 | |
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Also, I have a hard time grasping "non-lethal" methods since they tend to get really pissed at us regardless of the damage we cause, though if we were more reckless, it'd certainly be bad. I can't really see such action of stabbing or impalement to be anything else with the intent of killing. Let's just say I would only see it as that, though I don't have magical powers. But even if I did, I'd think sure, it's not always lethal, but you'd assume there would be better ways of accomplishing that. Well, there's certainly another reason for not having a decapitation and the most efficient way of killing-- sadism. If a method wasn't meant to just incapacitate but potentially cause slow and gradual pain, it would sound more like that. Of course, I have not read enough of the material to know if Cypha qualifies as that, so that's all I have to really say. If you wanted me to be really cynical, I would say that Signum is still alive because of plot armor and not to permanently anger her (sane) fans.
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2012-12-21, 22:26 | Link #6778 | |
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^ Goes into my saying the killing of grunts won't cause much impact, but named officers will and well-known ones at that. Mind those Signum fans, I am not calling her a grunt. However, to Cypha, that's what she considered her at the time. Veyron had to point out the members of SDS6 were prominent people in the TSAB to Veyron, and I assume Curren knows as well considering she knows how Hayate is regarded, but the rest didn't seem to know at the time. I agree Cypha meant to kill Signum though she most likely she didn't know Signum was a program and had higher tolerence to wounds.
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