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2013-01-12, 01:32 | Link #102 | |
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It just means that he gets put in the history file. Yeah, it's no surprise from a comedy ecchi. I just dislike when it gets excessive and distasteful. I do like it when they break the fourth wall for fanservice though. Breaking the fourth wall is a surefire way to get a laugh out of me.
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2013-01-12, 02:51 | Link #103 | ||
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2013-01-12, 04:04 | Link #104 |
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I was curious. Have you never been curious before? Plus, I was in the mood for some Magical Sci-Fi Girl action, and the episode was just a click away from me. I've never been a "preview enthusiast" unless it's for some titles that I've been waiting for (e.g. Gundam Unicorn, Evangelion Rebuild, etc). Is there something wrong with that?
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2013-01-12, 06:15 | Link #106 | ||
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In anime, just as any other element, there is "good fanservice" and "bad fanservice", which are both always fully intentional and can therefore never be called simply "unnecessary". Good fanservice (by my definition) is the kind which positively celebrates female sexuality, as a natural part of life which brings universal joy to people, whereas bad fanservice is the derogatory stuff of power fantasies, which objectifies women into mere sexual tools for others' pleasure. Regardless of the context, because of the intentions, I am always able to consciously appreciate and celebrate the former kind of fanservice, whereas I flat out condemn and disapprove of the latter. However, before that I find any attitude which completely rejects sexuality pretentious, unnatural, and ridiculous. It is incredibly closed-minded to assume that any work with sexual fanservice is automatically devoid of artistic merit. Despite my sizeable concerns with a great deal of the sexuality in the anime industry today, I must object to any attitude which lumps all fanservice in that way together. Quote:
Writing HotD off as a cheap brainless cash grab is a disservice to the work of its authors. While I could never quite defend it as high art, it has its own proper integrity as a meaningful story. |
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2013-01-12, 06:40 | Link #107 | |
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2013-01-12, 07:05 | Link #108 | |
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2013-01-12, 07:09 | Link #109 |
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I don't know why this is such a big deal... Tenjou Tenge, Gantz, Air Gear, Ikkitousen, and many other manga had a lot of ecchi panels during very brutal and dramatic action scenes... actually, having what people erroneously refer to as fan-service most of the times enhanced the emotional impact of a scene... The only example that I can think of (in drawn and live) that such a scene worked without actually showing anything was a film from Mikael Haneke (I hope I spelled that right) in the late '90s that all popular critics found disgusting
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2013-01-12, 08:28 | Link #110 | |
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2013-01-12, 09:27 | Link #112 |
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I don't mind fanservice in action scenes. I should not concern myself about my sexual fantasies while anime girls are in the heat of serious battle. So I just focus on the fights themselves.
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2013-01-12, 10:03 | Link #113 |
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While this usually isn't something I particularly have a problem with, if said fanservice is very blatant, exaggerated or bordering on actual nudity, then it gets a bit too ridiculous for me. Something like the odd panty-shot isn't much of a problem considering the thing is inevitable if the character is wearing a skirt.
Like already mentioned above, part of the reason I don't like HOTD is because of the fanservice just being way too exaggerated to take seriously. (Though my main reason is because it's a zombie apocalypse series which I just don't like in general.) Characters fighting nearly stark naked kills an action scene for me too.
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2013-01-12, 10:32 | Link #114 | |
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2013-01-12, 14:38 | Link #115 |
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Oi, this thread feels a bit narrow.
Personally, I think that fanservice during action scenes need to be more subtle. It's fine if we steal glimpses now and then, but in general, it would be annoying to randomly zoom on some chick's panties. In otherwise, save fanservice, for fanservice moments. Which could be for combat, but that's just rarer to justify. I haven't seen VRO, but the writer of this did do Mai-HiME, which has tons of fanservice, but knew when to segregate its fanservice. Like you wouldn't have a heartbreaking scene of anger between two former friends and then suddenly have someone's boobs flop just because. And even if they did, you'd need to rewind. But this is just me. I don't even like gratuitous scenes in fanservice scenes. There's no problem with showing off characters in sexy outfits that emphasize parts of their body. It is annoying if they treat their boobs like another character and have them bounce around for no reason because you have nothing better to put on the screen. It gives the show an unneeded voyeuristic appeal. Not all fanservice derides a character as a pack of meat though. Only badly thought out, uncreative ones do. Though the HOTD thing actually reminds me of something that VRO might be doing right. In general, anime tends to have overly sized boobs then overly sized behinds. It is very rare for people to complain "oh dude, that ass is tumorous, too huge, and bouncy". So even from an artist perspective, someone's behind is notably harder to screw up. And they don't suffer from the jiggle mechanics of lesser ecchi series. I'd think Strike Witches would follow the same principle. And it's actaully more according to the laws of physics that people's butts will stick out given their outfits. In fact, there should be more panty shots in anime if we were going the realism route.
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2013-01-12, 15:37 | Link #117 |
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It's not the kind of series I would likely watch in the first place, but I would acknowledge it has an audience who probably enjoys it as much as I enjoy something like Manyuu or Strike Witches. Female anime fans need love, too.
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2013-01-12, 15:42 | Link #118 | |
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I wouldn't like it, definitely. But if the show was based on the appeal of really sexy men, I would have no interest and not watch said series in the first place. Also, complaining about such shows so far out of my demographic would be futile Though I'm not really opposed to equality for the most part... *I will say though. If a show was meant to have trashy fanservice, it's unreasonable for expect it not to. However, I suppose that doesn't preclude its own existence being subject to criticism. But such things must be taken into stride. **Still, still there is no doubt that female characters are more prone to being portrayed as sexual objects.
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2013-01-12, 16:21 | Link #119 |
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The argument seems to be that because the series never pretended to be anything else, then the criticism of it for being what it is kind of misses the point and is not really valid. Going into a show like Strike Witches and expecting it not to feature fanservice is indeed naive, however, this does not mean someone has to respect what it is fundamentally. You can make a dish out of dog poop and call it food, but I sure as hell won't accept that as food. Strike witches to me is a garbage concept, and I will never hesitate to point it out as such. There is nothing invalid by pointing out the inherent flaws of a work conceptually.
In before "that's your opinion man" / "that's subjetive."
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2013-01-12, 16:33 | Link #120 |
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Oh please, JoJo's Bizarre Adventure have a LOT of homoerotic manservice all over it, it's just so over-the-top, oozing with bromance, larger than life and sincere, as in the author really believes in his story, that the audience fully embrace it.
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