2009-07-18, 02:55 | Link #261 | |
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I would argue that this anime does aim to be "educational". Other than being a simulation of a major earthquake in Tokyo, Mirai's name and her summer assignment point towards the obvious morals of caring for others and not taking people for granted. So, in this sense, it's fair to mark the show down for not living up to its own goals. This is part and parcel of the challenge of making a good docu-drama, I suppose. Somewhere along the way, the producers have to draw a line between realism and drama. They'd want to be as realistic as possible without becoming too boring, but whether they succeed in doing so would always depend on the eyes of the beholder. One man's "sensible" is another man's "foolishness", as it were. Well, in the end, it's like I've already said. I'm enjoying what I see at the moment. So long as the characters remain compelling, I'm more than willing to let a few details slide. |
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2009-07-18, 11:09 | Link #262 |
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Three rants.
About Mirai. It looks that some people here are playing the mecha pilot critique game with Mirai here. No matter what she does under normal or extraordinary circumstances, she's not nice enough, bold enough, wise enough, rational enough or whatever to find the approval of the audience who all must have been very remarkable people at the age of 13 by the standards they set. About the "educational" nature of the anime. This is an noitamina anime directed at an adult audience. Why do you expect this to be educational? Do you want to see "Don't try this at home, kids" messages flashed over the screen? Mirai's not supposed to be an emotionless cut out from the handbook for model-citizen-behavior-in-the-face-of-disasters. And I most definitely don't want to see the Divine Wrath card pulled whenever she violates that code. So congratulation for her going into the building and rescuing her brother - and be it maybe mostly out of an irrational feeling of guilt. Anime is full of examples of behavior rewarded that has killed hundreds of thousands of people in real life so I find it strange to criticize such trivialities in any case. About the circumstance of the disaster. People's believe on how people react under any extreme situations is most likely to 99 percent a result of a diet of TV entertainment.The very minor "catastrophes" I witnessed in RL already had some surprising outcomes. I do not know how people would react in this very particular situation. More crying and chaos and looting and shooting surely makes better pictures - so I except this to be in general overstated not understated on TV. Though I'd like to know in which scene exactly I should expect to see people looting in episode 2? (And the crime rate in Japan is very low compared to the US.) The reaction of the people might be completely unrealistic. Until I get solid proof I dismiss the talk about all that research that went into the anime as a PR move to drag in more viewers anyway. Research costs money, claiming to have done it doesn't. And maybe there are some Japanese psychologists with an expertise on that field already laughing their asses of. However, most of us don't have that expertise and I've seen nothing that made me raise a brow yet.
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2009-07-18, 11:14 | Link #263 | |
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2009-07-18, 11:27 | Link #264 |
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I also disagree with the reference to this as a "docu-drama". This is not a docu-drama and makes no claims to be one. It's an entertainment, plain and simple, and has no obligation to make sure it's characters are "good examples". Just because a show is trying to convey a degree of realism (which, FTR, I believe this show does extraordinarily well so far) doesn't make it a docu-drama.
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2009-07-18, 12:14 | Link #266 | |
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I found Mirai's angst to be annoying, yet fantastic. She's a young girl going through a rebellious period. Even though her Mom is fine(for the most part) she still has complaints about her not being perfect, and she has legitimate complaints against her dad. Basically they make her unsympathetic (by making her exactly what most were at that age) so that she has enormous room for growth in a disaster situation.
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2009-07-18, 13:20 | Link #267 | |
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I'd be dying to see scenes of otaku gangs carrying away whole containers of K-ON character song CDs in the ruins of Akihabara though.
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2009-07-18, 14:16 | Link #268 | |
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2009-07-18, 16:38 | Link #271 |
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I feel like Mirai's daily misfortune is a bit overblown. Sure, she pushes people away, but any two of the little things she had to put up with over the episode are probably enough to make a bad day.
I'm going to have to give this two more episodes. The realism is supposedly in the aftermath, which we saw for all of twenty seconds so far. Hopefully no Grave of the Fireflies level of sadness. I have yet to see that depressing film, but I'm not sure if they can handle that correctly in a show like this. |
2009-07-18, 16:58 | Link #272 | |
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In a natural disaster, I would expect there to be some time period where people were in shock and were making sure they were going to be okay. The looting would come later. Why bother stealing a TV if your home's going to fall down by the time you get back? I think that even when Hurricane Katrina hit New Orleans, a couple of days elapsed before looting really became a problem. |
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2009-07-18, 17:17 | Link #273 |
Waiting for more taiyuki!
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At least you would have thought that some people would have taken some food or bottled water out of the gift shops there.
I can understand Mari waiting to get home. Technically, it's dangerous to travel now. If the daughter is injured and not found, she's not going to be alive by tomorrow anyways. (Not that Mari was thinking this but still...) I can also understand eating the cake. It's the only food source and it would prob spoil by tomorrow anyways.
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2009-07-18, 20:01 | Link #275 | |
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2009-07-19, 00:23 | Link #276 |
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Wow, this 2 episodes have been really good. I love the way they have built up Mirai's character. She is extremely flawed. You get to hear the reasoning inside her head why she acts the way she does and she is nothing but a brat. But she is a 13 year old girl from a dysfunctional family. I have met a 13 year old girl from a broken family that was on the run and addicted to meth so she is really not all the bad off comparatively.
The whole point of her being so flawed is that she will need to overcome her weaknesses. Im pretty surprised at how much bashing this show is getting. The way people complain you would think they are all little Mirais |
2009-07-19, 00:24 | Link #277 |
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I just finished # 2 and it looks like it should be a good human story! But after a few story days i would images the human starting to turn a bit on each other. I must say that the pic in the begging remind me a lot of fallout 3 seen and it makes me wander what is in humans that kind of make them enjoy such seen that is things broken not ppl being harmed?
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2009-07-19, 00:38 | Link #278 |
耳をすませば
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It didn't happen after the Kobe earthquake. Looting and social disorder after disasters might be more prevalent in America...maybe because wealth inequality and such. There were news articles about electronics shops with broken windows in Kobe but all the electronics sat there on the front shelves, no one to steal them. You could probably think of many reasons, perhaps stemming from the conformist/shame culture and of course a relatively low amount of inequality/poverty. Then again, it was also well reported that the floods in Mumbai, India before Hurricane Katrina also had a comparative lack of social disorder, as well, and Mumbai certainly has its share of poverty as well so....perhaps it is more of a cultural thing after all.
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2009-07-19, 00:51 | Link #279 | |
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The major factor to how soon people are going to react to these stress is simply a madder to how use they are to living in such condition. Going from a "first world" to a "3ed world" (this is not the right word to use here but its the best i can think of atm) condition is a major shock. You do not know how great it is to have clean water on demand with nearly no lime is until you lose it hehe. It does not look like it may get that bad but to get a full round story i think they are going to have to have some suasion where this comes up but this does not mean every one going to go crazy odd are a person will start acting like this and one of the 2 kids the sis or brother will talk them down. Well this is how i see it and i can be very wrong i am not an expeared on human psychology i just know human act in ways to keep them self alive or others alive. As for the story line i think ppl are over thinking it (me too but i over think every thing!) and should be watch from epsote to epsote. |
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2009-07-19, 00:57 | Link #280 |
耳をすませば
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Sorry if I misinterpreted your post, my reply was clearly a bit influenced by the discussions about looting taking place a few posts ago. Of course, the sort of thing you're talking about ends up being a major element in most disaster films and I'd expect some element of disorder in this series as well to really elicit an emotional response. But it would be quite realistic even without a lot of social disorder/looting/etc.
You know I'm kind of interested in the possibility that instead of being an all-out lives-ruined parents-dead kind of tragedy, the series might instead deal with the horrible but not insurmountably tragic effect that an earthquake has on a fragile middle-class family as they rebuild their lives. Maybe it's just me liking the first episode a bit too much ^_^; I still don't know if it's right to say that humans regress to "myself over everyone else" in all situations. Maybe in the most drastic of situations, but based on what we've seen so far...... While there is clearly damage it doesn't seem like the city has been reduced completely to third world rubble. I mean if after the Kobe earthquake or the Mumbai floods people there are still able to mantain some altruism and social cohesion, I don't know if the disaster here is vastly greater than those.... Of course, this all assumes that the scope of the quake isn't drastically greater than anything we've seen...
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