2012-08-22, 07:57 | Link #1501 | |
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I didn't say dismissed but that "an emotional outburst is only a part of how a person truly feels and it doesn't necessarily hold true in its entirety". Think of when people say they hate eachother when they get angry. That may hold true at that moment, but emotions regain their complexity in a calmer state of mind. That doesn't mean they don't hate anything about the person, just that the current emphasized emotion overshadowed other feelings. Last edited by Blonto; 2012-08-22 at 08:01. Reason: added a bit more |
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2012-08-22, 08:57 | Link #1503 |
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I woundn't compare Taichi with a standard MC. I mean, usually when MC take action things get solved in a way or another. In Taichi case nothing is solved.
Iori is still using the multiple Iori versions she learned to play. Nothing IIRC hinted to any sort of slightest recovery. Yui was his best result, but her first id moment showed how long her road is. Hime relied on Taichi words (thanks to her feeling for him and not for him having whitenight'd her), but Taichi outburst burned everything he gained and more. All in all what Taichi is good at is not in white-nighting people, but in relating with them. At first it seems to sort the same effect but not in the long run. Adding that people who relate with him will invest on him, putting him in the situation of maintain what he built with them. Sooner or later he will face that. And his outburst is a sign of that. On a side note, the only difference I see from Taichi and Inaban id moments is that Inaban argumentation was flawless (as them usually are, probably that's why I'm being indulgent with her abuses), Taichi not. Another hint that he is going in the "right" direction But what I like to see is him teared apart by having to choose between Iori and Inaban.
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2012-08-22, 09:35 | Link #1504 | ||
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Note: as an addition, I don't think Inaba is being quite clear to Taichi about her motive in abandoning her friends (intentionally or not). So, as Blonto said, Taichi got the wrong impression. Hence his negative reaction (not so much insensitive).
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2012-08-22, 09:44 | Link #1505 | |
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What shocked me with Taichi's speech was more the words he used, rather than the reasons why he is lashing on Himeko.
The subs don't really show the extent of what Taichi said (considering how clunky it would be in English), but I think the point should be addressed: Quote:
It basically put the person in another "category of human", which is more than just saying someone isn't sharing the same view, or being "inferior": it places them in an outright different league (emphasis with その, making the gap between them "bigger" than with この), and sometimes can be taken as "not human", if you pick extreme cases. The "なんて" part also adds the context that "you didn't expect that", as if the asserted point (that Himeko would be such person to abandon her friends) never crossed your mind. That kind of expression is quite insensitive, considering you simply put a standard on yourself (as human) and that the person in front of you literally fails to meet these, or if you want to look at the other way, that you can't recognize the person in front of you as the same "human" as you are. I know that Taichi was under the effect of the "desire unleashed" issue, but the way how Taichi has "expectations" for Himeko (and prolly for others) shows how much Taichi isn't really normal. At this point, I agree with people that Taichi's selfless righteousness will be a major issue in the future, leading to either self destruction, or putting people on a weird piedestal until they "disappoint" him.
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2012-08-22, 09:52 | Link #1507 | |
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2012-08-22, 15:31 | Link #1508 | |
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Acting on a specific impulse or emotion may not take into account everything else roiling around inside you. Working through all of those impulses is what allows us to develop socially. In a way, the results are oddly Orwellian. The gimmick kind of forces them to be careful what they think, because thinking can literally be dangerous. Thought-crime becomes crime without notice. Two relatively harmless, completely ordinary impulses in episode 6 suddenly became two different instances of assault: physical and sexual. That's a lot of pressure to be under. |
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2012-08-22, 16:00 | Link #1510 |
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This show fascinates me. It doesn't really overplay anything, but it sort of fools you at the start by thinking the protagonists are all happy-go-lucky best buds. As it progresses and the incidents occur, there's a quick switch to anything from mild anger to complete animosity between them. It's interesting because it shows that they've never fully agreed with each other in the first place.
What I like most about this is that it feels mostly human. Sure, some of the characters do some ridiculous things, but it's only to give them their own personalities. It's one big story where they need to move forward together, but even their own minds are keeping them from doing so. The endings do a really good job of tying into the episodes themselves too- I love when they do that, like in AnoHana or Durarara!! (OP). I'm very interested in seeing how things start to play out for Inaba. That silent moment at the train station speaks huge volumes, so it's safe to say that ANYTHING could happen at this point.
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2012-08-22, 16:22 | Link #1511 | |
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The thing I'm most interested in seeing though is what the whole argument Taichi and Aoki are having is about. It would be great if it was a double inner feelings released event. Last edited by Snuffle; 2012-08-22 at 16:38. |
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The point is, he's losing his temper because of HS' intervention and yells at her. The point is, he comes to his senses again and realises *that* he yelled at her and went much too far, and that he did really hurt her by what he said. His reaction to that? He does *nthing*. No apologies, no trying to make up things again, nothing! *That* makes him an insensitive jerk. It's as if he's thinking, "So I just really hurt Inaba by going to far. So what? Who gives a damn? I don't like her anyway." Quote:
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2012-08-22, 16:36 | Link #1513 | |
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I predict a more accurate occurrence would be that Inaba ends up getting in between Iori and Taichi. Since they're keeping things as is for now, the fact that their impulses are acting out might cause some serious problems.
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2012-08-22, 17:01 | Link #1514 |
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No, he didn't.
Taichi didn't apologize because an apology would have actually been insulting to Inaba's intelligence. Inaba had a similar Id Moment when she talked down Yui. After Inaba apologized for it, Yui said to her "But what you said is what you really mean, isn't it?" (or something to that extent). Inaba never corrected that because Yui was right, and both her and Inaba knew it. And now both Taichi and Inaba know that, at some level at least, Taichi meant what he said. Taichi apologizing for it (at least him doing so right away) would have been literally adding insult to injury. I think that you're being too hard on Taichi. I think that you and perhaps some other posters as well are exaggerating his issues. And Inaba is frequently rude to him. Without needing to have Id Moments to bring it out of her.
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2012-08-22, 17:02 | Link #1515 | |
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The id, while impulsive and unreliable, is still representative of the person to an extent. In fact, it says a lot about a person just looking at it head on without the obstructive ego to restrain it.
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2012-08-22, 17:06 | Link #1516 | |
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But it does annoy me how blind to her suffering he seems, especially compared to his sensitivity to Yui's and Iori's. (But then, I'm probably biased myself.) And normally, why should they? Emotions just are. We don't decide to have them. It's our responsibility to control ourselves so we don't brain people with golf trophies, but mere thoughts and emotions shouldn't be a crime. |
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2012-08-22, 17:12 | Link #1517 | |
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I agree that it's not quite fair (especially the differing expectation levels). But there are times when I think that Taichi is actually a bit intimidated by Inaba, and might find it easier to relax and be himself around Iori (and probably Yui as well to a lesser extent).
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2012-08-22, 17:19 | Link #1518 | |
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What Inaban said, analyzing it out of grimmick's context, is something reasonable, right, as I said, flawless. In another situation, without the grimmick in action, if Inaba had explained the same identical thing with the same identical words the outcome probably would have been different. Taichi's on the contrary wasn't. What he imputed to her is quite questionable, if not totally wrong, because first she wasn't giving up on Yui, and second his conclusion ended being harshly judgmental on Inaban as a person. And I wasn't aware back then of what he really said (and that thanks to Klashikari now I know ) So it shows what there is deep down each of the two friends. Inaban was simply frustrated (now I don't know, poor Hime), Taichi instead hides something more dark that, if you let it be, it blinds his reason. That was what I meant speaking of the "right" direction he was going.
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2012-08-22, 17:23 | Link #1519 |
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I'm not sure that I can explain this well, but I just wanted to throw one thing into the mix.
I think that an outburst of emotion doesn't even represent all of our emotions, let alone our thoughts. Like, I've gotten into some really heated arguments with my parents (particularly when I was a teenager), and some words were said. But even though I really did mean what I said at the time in most cases (sometimes exaggerated a bit for effect...) it wasn't all I felt. My decision to normally not say those things is not just because of rational thought, but also because of other feelings. Feelings like love, compassion, empathy, and on and on. When you lose control of your emotions, it's not just that you stop thinking, it's that you let certain emotions (the more passionate ones) override other ones. And that's why you "feel badly" afterwards. Not just because your brain says "I shouldn't have done that; that person will be offended", but because your other emotions take over. Taichi said something really hurtful to Himeko, and he may very well have meant it, but I don't think what he said is the only thing he thinks or feels about her. Coming to terms with these many conflicting emotions is what our brain helps us to do, and what is difficult for them to do under these circumstances.
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Nobody can blame Taichi or anyone for that matter for not noticing that Inaba is suffering. She tries pretty damn hard to hide it, not even Iori who is closer to her (although distracted atm with love and the whole gimmick) notices how Inaba is feeling.
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