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Chaos2Frozen · 2013-01-26, 17:22

In her own words-

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“He seems like he would freely act for the sake of all Misakas, but that kind of action is like denying the value of this Misaka unit’s existence, as she is a collection of the malice within the network…”

MrTerrorist · 2013-02-02, 13:09

Here's tough question. Is Orsola a member of Necessarius?

The reason i'm asking this question is because there's a discussion happening at wikiepdia's A Certain Magical Index characters article over whether Laura and Orsola should be put in another section rather than stay in the Necessarius section.

One editor wants to put them in another section, saying there is no proof Orsola is not a member of Necessarius. The other editor is against it since it's a waste and Orsola is actively involve in Necessarius affairs.

tsunade666 · 2013-02-02, 18:31

Orsola lives together with the others right? in the girls dorm provided by English Angelican church. Its in SS. And she is actively helping in the library works. She might not be the front liner of necessarius but if you ask me. She is a member of them. Even the cross Styl give to her is a proof of her being a member of them or at least connected to them.

Sumeragi · 2013-02-02, 18:57

I just say she's part of the Anglican Church, under which there is Necessarius.

ars89 · 2013-02-03, 12:50

So i just finished volume 18, but i didn't notice the extra side stories on the bottom on baka-tsuki. I like to read things in the order that they are released so i was wondering when i should read those side stories, or are they not relevant to the plot and can be read at anytime?

Sumeragi · 2013-02-03, 13:53

They are relevant, but you can read them at any time.

demino_hellsin · 2013-02-24, 22:37

Forgive me for asking but I remember there were artificial angels in the canon universe yes? who makes them and to whom are they aligned?

Chaos2Frozen · 2013-02-24, 22:46

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Originally Posted by demino_hellsin

Forgive me for asking but I remember there were artificial angels in the canon universe yes? who makes them and to whom are they aligned?

Well if you want to basic explanation then Academy City made one. The details are more complicated though.

Kazakiri Hyouka isn't aligned with Academy City though... Unless you count the Kamijou Faction.

demino_hellsin · 2013-02-25, 05:33

What defines the level of an ability? The user's aptitude with it or does the very nature of the ability have anything to do with it? Or is it completely arbitrary?

Chaos2Frozen · 2013-02-25, 06:14

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Originally Posted by demino_hellsin

What defines the level of an ability? The user's aptitude with it or does the very nature of the ability have anything to do with it? Or is it completely arbitrary?

The bare essentials? Control, Power, and Applications.

demino_hellsin · 2013-02-25, 06:16

where would one classify the ability to pull at space?

Chaos2Frozen · 2013-02-25, 06:20

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Originally Posted by demino_hellsin

where would one classify the ability to pull at space?

...You mean telekinesis?

demino_hellsin · 2013-02-25, 06:28

no... as in literally pull space.

Chaos2Frozen · 2013-02-25, 06:30

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Originally Posted by demino_hellsin

no... as in literally pull space.

To what degree?

demino_hellsin · 2013-02-25, 06:30

currently it's just like pulling at taffy with your bare hands.

Chaos2Frozen · 2013-02-25, 06:39

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Originally Posted by demino_hellsin

currently it's just like pulling at taffy with your bare hands.

No I mean what is the extent of the power? We need something to quantify a value.

For example, Mikoto's railgun is mach 3, Kuroko's teleportation has a range of 80m and a certain mass limit.

tsunade666 · 2013-02-25, 07:02

does he mean hammer space trope? where one stores item in "space" or a pocket space or alternate dimension and one just need to brought it out of that space to summon it or take it out into this dimension.

demino_hellsin · 2013-02-25, 07:17

At this point, it's not something that one can quantify in extent. The limitation is that it requires his hands to act as the anchor of how to twist the desired space.

The best way I can put it would be in a 3 dimensional graph, he can grab hold of a certain coordinate and drag it elsewhere. But reality would still register that coordinate as itself. At the same time, the specific coordinate also registers its own space as having been modified via expansion, contraction or abnormally changed in shape.

This is the power in its rawest form without any refinement at all.

EDIT: if there would be any value involved, it would be all space within a 10cm spherical radius is drug along with the point.

judasmartel · 2013-02-25, 12:13

But then one limitation of that power would be that the equipment pulled from hammerspace needs to be placed beforehand within the range of the esper or else it won't work.

For example, if the maximum range is 10 meters, then the equipment should be placed up to 10 meters away from the esper beforehand or else s/he won't be getting what she needs from hammerspace and instead get things s/he's not supposed to.

I think this kind of power can also be used to create "portals" to teleport foes, allies, or herself, but it is limited to the maximum range like Kuroko's Teleport. But unlike Teleport or Move Point, it would have lesser restrictions on weight as the esper simply has to create a "portal" to drop heavier objects on top of the enemies, but only as long as the objects are in range.

demino_hellsin · 2013-02-25, 21:45

hammer space is an application of this ability, so is portal creation which I'd like to call worm holing. But all of that is on higher levels.

The closest but still inaccurate way of describing this is that the current ability allows him to isolate a space as he would a container, and he can twist that container any way he wants.

2013-02-02, 13:09	Link #1442
MrTerrorist Takao Tsundere Cruiser Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Classified	Here's tough question. Is Orsola a member of Necessarius? The reason i'm asking this question is because there's a discussion happening at wikiepdia's A Certain Magical Index characters article over whether Laura and Orsola should be put in another section rather than stay in the Necessarius section. One editor wants to put them in another section, saying there is no proof Orsola is not a member of Necessarius. The other editor is against it since it's a waste and Orsola is actively involve in Necessarius affairs. __________________

2013-02-02, 18:31	Link #1443
tsunade666 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: In my room	Orsola lives together with the others right? in the girls dorm provided by English Angelican church. Its in SS. And she is actively helping in the library works. She might not be the front liner of necessarius but if you ask me. She is a member of them. Even the cross Styl give to her is a proof of her being a member of them or at least connected to them. __________________ To A certain Lonely Hero

2013-02-03, 12:50	Link #1445
ars89 One-Eyed Dragon Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: NJ, USA	So i just finished volume 18, but i didn't notice the extra side stories on the bottom on baka-tsuki. I like to read things in the order that they are released so i was wondering when i should read those side stories, or are they not relevant to the plot and can be read at anytime? __________________ My Anime List

2013-02-25, 07:02	Link #1457
tsunade666 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: In my room	does he mean hammer space trope? where one stores item in "space" or a pocket space or alternate dimension and one just need to brought it out of that space to summon it or take it out into this dimension. __________________ To A certain Lonely Hero

2013-02-25, 07:17	Link #1458
demino_hellsin That one guy Join Date: Nov 2011	At this point, it's not something that one can quantify in extent. The limitation is that it requires his hands to act as the anchor of how to twist the desired space. The best way I can put it would be in a 3 dimensional graph, he can grab hold of a certain coordinate and drag it elsewhere. But reality would still register that coordinate as itself. At the same time, the specific coordinate also registers its own space as having been modified via expansion, contraction or abnormally changed in shape. This is the power in its rawest form without any refinement at all. EDIT: if there would be any value involved, it would be all space within a 10cm spherical radius is drug along with the point. Last edited by demino_hellsin; 2013-02-25 at 08:43.

2013-02-02, 18:57	Link #1444
Sumeragi Banned Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Dai Korai Teikoku	I just say she's part of the Anglican Church, under which there is Necessarius.

2013-02-03, 13:53	Link #1446
Sumeragi Banned Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Dai Korai Teikoku	They are relevant, but you can read them at any time.

2013-02-24, 22:37	Link #1447
demino_hellsin That one guy Join Date: Nov 2011	Forgive me for asking but I remember there were artificial angels in the canon universe yes? who makes them and to whom are they aligned?

2013-02-25, 05:33	Link #1449
demino_hellsin That one guy Join Date: Nov 2011	What defines the level of an ability? The user's aptitude with it or does the very nature of the ability have anything to do with it? Or is it completely arbitrary?

2013-02-25, 06:16	Link #1451
demino_hellsin That one guy Join Date: Nov 2011	where would one classify the ability to pull at space?

2013-02-25, 06:28	Link #1453
demino_hellsin That one guy Join Date: Nov 2011	no... as in literally pull space.

2013-02-25, 06:30	Link #1455
demino_hellsin That one guy Join Date: Nov 2011	currently it's just like pulling at taffy with your bare hands.

2013-02-25, 12:13	Link #1459
judasmartel Senior Member Author Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Cainta, Rizal, Philippines	But then one limitation of that power would be that the equipment pulled from hammerspace needs to be placed beforehand within the range of the esper or else it won't work. For example, if the maximum range is 10 meters, then the equipment should be placed up to 10 meters away from the esper beforehand or else s/he won't be getting what she needs from hammerspace and instead get things s/he's not supposed to. I think this kind of power can also be used to create "portals" to teleport foes, allies, or herself, but it is limited to the maximum range like Kuroko's Teleport. But unlike Teleport or Move Point, it would have lesser restrictions on weight as the esper simply has to create a "portal" to drop heavier objects on top of the enemies, but only as long as the objects are in range.

2013-02-25, 21:45	Link #1460
demino_hellsin That one guy Join Date: Nov 2011	hammer space is an application of this ability, so is portal creation which I'd like to call worm holing. But all of that is on higher levels. The closest but still inaccurate way of describing this is that the current ability allows him to isolate a space as he would a container, and he can twist that container any way he wants.