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tsunade666 · 2012-07-01, 02:55

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Originally Posted by GoddyofAus

I wouldn't classify Kamijou as a member of the Science faction. The ambiguous descriptions of Imagine Breaker have always come across to me as Kamachi trying to make him some sort of Neutral third party.

Touma is a member of science faction even if not outright. Academy city is his home grounds and remember book of law? since this is 2nd season discussion. Orsola ask who he is and from what faction he is from. He said he is from academy city and friends with angelican church and even in the beginning of the series from season 1. He represents academy city against outside force. While Accelerator and misaka are busy with their own world and small world it is. Touma from the beginning since meeting Index. Make a grand entrance on the door to outside world. And then Gods right seat hits him. Which is the center of darkness in roman catholic church. Its just icing(did I get the right word on this one?) on a cake or a tip of an iceberg. The mess in Italy won't be compared when messing with GRS.

Master Assassin · 2012-07-01, 02:55

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Originally Posted by GoddyofAus

I wouldn't classify Kamijou as a member of the Science faction. The ambiguous descriptions of Imagine Breaker have always come across to me as Kamachi trying to make him some sort of Neutral third party.

Kamijou's faction is Kamijou Faction.

GoddyofAus · 2012-07-01, 02:58

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Originally Posted by Soul Assassin

Kamijou's faction is Kamijou Faction.

Yes this ^^ Good call.

tsunade666 · 2012-07-01, 03:08

but Kamijou faction is combination of different members of different group/cabals/organization.

Destined_Fate · 2012-07-01, 03:41

Mikoto and Index are both equally important to the Index series, manga/anime/LN/ect, and Touma(He even says that Index is one that he must protect and he makes an oath to protect Mikoto and the world around her as well. Both are the most important people to him and the series). Besides, Mikoto can't help it that she's the most popular of the bunch so that's no reason to hate on her just because she isn't a Loli.

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Kamijou's faction is Kamijou Faction.

Yeah, that's correct. Everyone that is close to him is affliated with his Faction whether they know it exists or not. Such as when they started targeting Mikoto because she had gotten close to Touma since getting at her and all of Touma's friends would be the best way to get at Touma since all other attempts at the guy himself have failed miserably.

tsunade666 · 2012-07-01, 03:56

ah nope, I hate mikoto is not because of she is not loli. Its because of the fans induced on it. Really -_- hate the fans

sigh.... importance of Mikoto. In the long run the clones even overtake the original and since this is second season I won't say anything but if its comparing screen time Index still has more screen time than Mikoto. And me being petty? chuckle.. really this whole debate starts even makes me laugh

Destined_Fate · 2012-07-01, 04:03

The clones haven't overtaken Mikoto in importance, far from it. Mikoto and Index are still the most important people in the series other than Touma and Accelerator after his heel face turn. Many plots literally wouldn't exist without those two existing and their mere existence has caused a ripple effect throughout Index and caused action out of many other characters all over the world.

You are being petty for hating a character just because you don't like the fanbase.

GoddyofAus · 2012-07-01, 04:03

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Originally Posted by tsunade666

ah nope, I hate mikoto is not because of she is not loli. Its because of the fans induced on it. Really -_- hate the fans

sigh.... importance of Mikoto. In the long run the clones even overtake the original and since this is second season I won't say anything but if its comparing screen time Index still has more screen time than Mikoto. And me being petty? chuckle.. really this whole debate starts even makes me laugh

You hate the fans because they like Mikoto do you? Well I tell you what mate, Accel World could easily do without Yuniko as well and yet she's there because fans like you like her.

Destined_Fate · 2012-07-01, 04:06

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Originally Posted by GoddyofAus

You hate the fans because they like Mikoto do you? Well I tell you what mate, Accel World could easily do without Yuniko as well and yet she's there because fans like you like her.

Don't take it too far, we don't need a war. It was just an observation on my part that it's petty to hate a character because tsunade hates the many fans that adore her which lead to her ridiculously high popularity.

tsunade666 · 2012-07-01, 04:15

Nope nope nope.

you guys don't understand. Well partially. I hate it when I get into rage inducing debate on the fans against bias view. It gives me high on drugs. Thus I hate it when debating about Mikoto.

Destined_Fate · 2012-07-01, 04:25

Your post implies that it isn't just the fans and you outright say you hate Mikoto.

tsunade666 · 2012-07-01, 04:58

Really? because if you look from the beginning of this thread. Lets say when about Index season 1 was aired I'm a fan of Mikoto though when Railgun anime was aired. I'm often absent on different forum sites and 4chan because I hate when debating about it. And if you look at my comment on the situation where or what Mikoto is. I'm not bias at all -_-

cause really the main point of the argument is making Mikoto more important that what she really is. Though that's also my main reason that I hate debating on such manner.

Destined_Fate · 2012-07-01, 05:05

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.............guh

this debate about this is getting silly. From the title debate to screen time debate and to usefulness in battle or just being in present on the scene.

Its second season thread right? I will just end it with Index is way better to be with Touma than Mikoto -_- its a clash with science and magic and Touma is part of the science side and Index is the magic side. The whole mess begins when Index met up with Touma and thus the 2 sides being connected. And in a grander scheme. Index is more important than Mikoto for she is the magic library of magic side and really just get it over with your shipping for Mikoto. Its been drastic with the other threads too and it didn't help my rage for Mikoto at all.

This also reminds me of why I hate Mikoto which chaoz should know or probably remember when it all roots back to this type of debate (-_- ) p

Ahem...... Care to explain how you aren't bias?

And Mikoto is just as important as Index is as far as the series and Touma is concerned. Everyone else is connected to them or something that is connected to them in some way. Without them there would be a lot less plot points and characters in the series since they require that Mikoto and Index exist.

Atrum023 · 2012-07-01, 05:44

Man... I've been watching this debate go on for quite a while now and it still seems like we're getting nowhere.

Screen times of the two separate heroines aside, Mikoto isn't as important as Index in a series like this as it focus mainly on the magic side affairs. Since Index lives with Touma, it's inevitable that those on the magic side will go after them. Mikoto herself is completely out of the loop regarding that so...

Anyway, since this is Season 2 discussion I'll limit it to the fact that the last episode foreshadows Touma's future conflicts with the magic side - this means that Index will eventually become more important than Mikoto (at least plot wise, relationship development is completely different).

Destined_Fate · 2012-07-01, 05:55

Mikoto is just as important as Index and both have many things that require that they simply exist or they wouldn't be possible. You can't just write Mikoto off, much of Index's story wouldn't exist without her just like much of the story can't exist without Index - Without either of them Index wouldn't be what it is today and would be missing a huge number of characters/story parts. Both are very important and are needed for many things, even things they don't personally have a hand in or remain ignorant about. It's a ripple effect that all starts with them which lands on Touma's lap because he's involved with both of them.

That's your interpertation. I say it's wrong, since the last episode went down because of Mikoto being so important that people are willing to kill, but I wont drag you into it.

Regardless, Index getting some love dedicated to her in the Anime sphere would be good. She has no hope of beating the more beloved Touma x Mikoto ship so they should instead focus on giving her moments where Touma isn't around. Let Anime only watchers see what she's actually a capable of and why she's so important and isn't just a damsel in distress that complains a lot.

tsunade666 · 2012-07-01, 06:11

ah crap.... headache inducing.

what thread is this again. Ah right second season. What's so important about Mikoto? she has her own anime, her own manga and her own side stories and her own fans that is like half the series of tamniverse is. But on the main series.... I don't see what's so important of her -_- seriously and this is not the novel thread... ah I don't care anymore.

Destined_Fate · 2012-07-01, 06:14

Are you even trying? I want to try and see your point but you're making it hard. If you've seen the series, read the Manga/LNs as well, than you would already know why Mikoto is so important just like Index and Touma are important. So many things lead to Mikoto(Rome) and without her they wouldn't be possible just like Index and Touma are important and without them certian things couldn't happen with Touma being the most important since he connects to everything and everything relies on his existence. Whether it involves Index or Mikoto doesn't matter, Touma is always a part of it eventually down the road.

GoddyofAus · 2012-07-01, 06:14

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Originally Posted by tsunade666

ah crap.... headache inducing.

what thread is this again. Ah right second season. What's so important about Mikoto? she has her own anime, her own manga and her own side stories and her own fans that is like half the series of tamniverse is. But on the main series.... I don't see what's so important of her -_- seriously and this is not the novel thread... ah I don't care anymore.

How would Accelerator have developed as a character without the Sisters arc? And you wouldn't have had a Sisters Arc without Mikoto.

Atrum023 · 2012-07-01, 06:29

I think he's referring to Mikoto's role in the long run. After all, you yourself had said that Mikoto's role starts waning as time goes on (at least until recently).

Destined_Fate · 2012-07-01, 06:34

That can easily be fixed with new stories involving her, she's just not in the center spotlight at the moment because other character could really use that time now than her since she's still very important, relevant, and developed. Touma has also hit slumps before but always comes back to remind people why he's the main character, Mikoto is too important and popular(Fan following can get fanatical when it involves her) that they wont let her fall to obsurity especially since she's a Main Character like Index and Touma are Main Characters and later Accelerator turning Main Character.

It's wise of them to not always make Index, Touma, Accelerator, and Mikoto the star of the show/story every chance there is else they may end up making them unlikeable to the fans. We don't need Index ending up like Bleach where it's Ichigo literally everywhere in the Manga(The Anime fixed that with... Fillers for other characters. Which actually helped in getting fans to start begging for more Ichigo when they were getting tired of him before the fillers). That and they have so many freaking characters in the Index series now that could benefit greatly for a moment to shine, even if it's not going to last and the leads will take the reins after the detour and fans start rumbling that they want to get back to the meat of Index - Touma, Index, Mikoto, and Accelerator.

2012-07-01, 03:08	Link #1024
tsunade666 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: In my room	but Kamijou faction is combination of different members of different group/cabals/organization. __________________ To A certain Lonely Hero

2012-07-01, 03:56	Link #1026
tsunade666 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: In my room	ah nope, I hate mikoto is not because of she is not loli. Its because of the fans induced on it. Really -_- hate the fans sigh.... importance of Mikoto. In the long run the clones even overtake the original and since this is second season I won't say anything but if its comparing screen time Index still has more screen time than Mikoto. And me being petty? chuckle.. really this whole debate starts even makes me laugh __________________ To A certain Lonely Hero

2012-07-01, 04:15	Link #1030
tsunade666 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: In my room	Nope nope nope. you guys don't understand. Well partially. I hate it when I get into rage inducing debate on the fans against bias view. It gives me high on drugs. Thus I hate it when debating about Mikoto. __________________ To A certain Lonely Hero

2012-07-01, 04:58	Link #1032
tsunade666 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: In my room	Really? because if you look from the beginning of this thread. Lets say when about Index season 1 was aired I'm a fan of Mikoto though when Railgun anime was aired. I'm often absent on different forum sites and 4chan because I hate when debating about it. And if you look at my comment on the situation where or what Mikoto is. I'm not bias at all -_- cause really the main point of the argument is making Mikoto more important that what she really is. Though that's also my main reason that I hate debating on such manner. __________________ To A certain Lonely Hero

2012-07-01, 05:44	Link #1034
Atrum023 Eternal Silence Join Date: Jul 2011	Man... I've been watching this debate go on for quite a while now and it still seems like we're getting nowhere. Screen times of the two separate heroines aside, Mikoto isn't as important as Index in a series like this as it focus mainly on the magic side affairs. Since Index lives with Touma, it's inevitable that those on the magic side will go after them. Mikoto herself is completely out of the loop regarding that so... Anyway, since this is Season 2 discussion I'll limit it to the fact that the last episode foreshadows Touma's future conflicts with the magic side - this means that Index will eventually become more important than Mikoto (at least plot wise, relationship development is completely different). __________________ 不幸だ...

2012-07-01, 04:03	Link #1027
Destined_Fate Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: "Sacrifice one to appease the few."	The clones haven't overtaken Mikoto in importance, far from it. Mikoto and Index are still the most important people in the series other than Touma and Accelerator after his heel face turn. Many plots literally wouldn't exist without those two existing and their mere existence has caused a ripple effect throughout Index and caused action out of many other characters all over the world. You are being petty for hating a character just because you don't like the fanbase.

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Destined_Fate Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: "Sacrifice one to appease the few."	Your post implies that it isn't just the fans and you outright say you hate Mikoto.

2012-07-01, 05:55	Link #1035
Destined_Fate Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: "Sacrifice one to appease the few."	Mikoto is just as important as Index and both have many things that require that they simply exist or they wouldn't be possible. You can't just write Mikoto off, much of Index's story wouldn't exist without her just like much of the story can't exist without Index - Without either of them Index wouldn't be what it is today and would be missing a huge number of characters/story parts. Both are very important and are needed for many things, even things they don't personally have a hand in or remain ignorant about. It's a ripple effect that all starts with them which lands on Touma's lap because he's involved with both of them. That's your interpertation. I say it's wrong, since the last episode went down because of Mikoto being so important that people are willing to kill, but I wont drag you into it. Regardless, Index getting some love dedicated to her in the Anime sphere would be good. She has no hope of beating the more beloved Touma x Mikoto ship so they should instead focus on giving her moments where Touma isn't around. Let Anime only watchers see what she's actually a capable of and why she's so important and isn't just a damsel in distress that complains a lot. Last edited by Destined_Fate; 2012-07-01 at 06:10.

2012-07-01, 06:11	Link #1036
tsunade666 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: In my room	ah crap.... headache inducing. what thread is this again. Ah right second season. What's so important about Mikoto? she has her own anime, her own manga and her own side stories and her own fans that is like half the series of tamniverse is. But on the main series.... I don't see what's so important of her -_- seriously and this is not the novel thread... ah I don't care anymore. __________________ To A certain Lonely Hero

2012-07-01, 06:14	Link #1037
Destined_Fate Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: "Sacrifice one to appease the few."	Are you even trying? I want to try and see your point but you're making it hard. If you've seen the series, read the Manga/LNs as well, than you would already know why Mikoto is so important just like Index and Touma are important. So many things lead to Mikoto(Rome) and without her they wouldn't be possible just like Index and Touma are important and without them certian things couldn't happen with Touma being the most important since he connects to everything and everything relies on his existence. Whether it involves Index or Mikoto doesn't matter, Touma is always a part of it eventually down the road.

2012-07-01, 06:29	Link #1039
Atrum023 Eternal Silence Join Date: Jul 2011	I think he's referring to Mikoto's role in the long run. After all, you yourself had said that Mikoto's role starts waning as time goes on (at least until recently). __________________ 不幸だ...

2012-07-01, 06:34	Link #1040
Destined_Fate Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: "Sacrifice one to appease the few."	That can easily be fixed with new stories involving her, she's just not in the center spotlight at the moment because other character could really use that time now than her since she's still very important, relevant, and developed. Touma has also hit slumps before but always comes back to remind people why he's the main character, Mikoto is too important and popular(Fan following can get fanatical when it involves her) that they wont let her fall to obsurity especially since she's a Main Character like Index and Touma are Main Characters and later Accelerator turning Main Character. It's wise of them to not always make Index, Touma, Accelerator, and Mikoto the star of the show/story every chance there is else they may end up making them unlikeable to the fans. We don't need Index ending up like Bleach where it's Ichigo literally everywhere in the Manga(The Anime fixed that with... Fillers for other characters. Which actually helped in getting fans to start begging for more Ichigo when they were getting tired of him before the fillers). That and they have so many freaking characters in the Index series now that could benefit greatly for a moment to shine, even if it's not going to last and the leads will take the reins after the detour and fans start rumbling that they want to get back to the meat of Index - Touma, Index, Mikoto, and Accelerator.