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not like they just killed people for the lulz besides, this entire flotila was nothing more then an act of provocation from day one they spent several months organizing this shipment of 10,000 tons of aid (allegedly) because they didn't want it to go through the proper channels (those that go through israel) meanwhile, the "proper channels" deliver 15,000 tons of aid into gaza every week and both israel AND Egypt already offered to deliver it through those channels (and the flotila refused) in other words, they delayed a small shipment of aid, that is smaller then what gets delivered every week, for months, just to try and get it into gaza in ways other then through the israeli's which means they are either retarded or their main concern, is not a humanitarian one
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2010-05-31, 04:41 | Link #7463 |
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Just as i thought. Leader of Islamic Country has spoken.
Iran President has spoke that assault is inhumane. Palestina President has spoke that Israel is conducting an slaughter. This will be use as a momentum for Islamic country to put a pressure against Israel. |
2010-05-31, 04:45 | Link #7464 | |
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2010-05-31, 04:56 | Link #7465 | |
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they spent months organizing the SHIPMENT of said aid. and it TOOK months to try and deliver, simply because they wanted it to go outside israeli controlled routes. it could have been delivered days ago if they accepted either Israeli OR Egyptian offers to deliver it for them, but they insisted on delivering it themselves through that particular method so whats more important to them then ? delivering the aid to the people of gaza, or doing so outside israeli controlled routes ? as for the "speculation" part they repeatedly stated that the goal of the flotilla was to break the blockade on gaza hell, the movement is called FREE GAZA its not speculating about someone's motives when they flat out TELL you what they are after
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2010-05-31, 05:23 | Link #7466 |
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yes because aid drops from the relief aid tree.... come on not every cause to secure and procure aid in the speed it takes an industrial nation. W/E there is no rational, again all you do is say random things with out any sort of citation. The thing is burden of proof lies on you because I'm not the one making outrageous accusations.
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its the shipping methods. and no, the burden of proof does NOT lie with me, because they already STATED it themselves Quote:
its lower down the page as for the "not seeking any confrontation" bit http://www.ynet.co.il/articles/0,7340,L-3896545,00.html on this site there's a video attached near the start it clearly shows a "peace activist" (in an orange life jacket) attacking a soldier with an iron rod after the soldier just repelled on to the ship so clearly they were just being peaceful when the israeli's brutally attacked them for no provocation
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2010-05-31, 06:05 | Link #7468 | |
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Boarding and searching ships are part of security procedures. So too bad for the poor guy who attacked them.
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2010-05-31, 06:09 | Link #7470 | |
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and you base this on... what exactly ?
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2010-05-31, 06:13 | Link #7472 |
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@blade: demographics. I'm sure the Internet knows more about that than I do.
Both SH and I come from a place which has been compared to Israel. So, we do have an inkling or two on the sense of being surrounded. @SH: Amen to that correction.
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2010-05-31, 06:21 | Link #7473 | |
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while i'm not exactly sure about the details of Singapore, i do know that in 1948 you had 600,000 jews in israel surrounded by 150 million arabs 60 years have passed, and now there are almost 6 MILLION jews in israel the demographics were even MORE against israel in 1948, and its only became larger and more powerful with time its army is the strongest in the mid east, with a defence alliance with the US its industry's only expending (it just got into OCED this month) and its GDP per capita is practically at European levels from where i'm looking, israel's existence NOW, seems infinity more likely then it did in 1948 and i'm not really sure why so many people seem to think its existence now is on "borrowed time" who's going to end it exactly ?
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2010-05-31, 06:25 | Link #7474 |
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Most of those 6 million came from outside immigration, I add. Can that be sustained?
Sustainability is the key. I don't deny the stats. It's like the US or Japan. Glitzy? Hell yes. But, is that the result of new growth or are they munching on past harvests? I don't know. Perhaps a Jared Diamond-style collapse scenario? The place is dry as dust, for one.
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2010-05-31, 06:30 | Link #7475 | |
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who's going to END them ? the palestinians ? (who are considerably less in number, and INFINITELY less in actual power) the other arab states surrounding it ? (two of whom already gave up on that notion, and the remaining two being terrified of conflict with it) you say demographics, but you don't exactly point out how demographics would have any effect it can't be political, since arabs who aren't israeli civis can't vote and military its irrelevent, since there has ALWAYS been more a huge gap in population sizes, and it never made a difference before when it was much larger and that means what exactly ?
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2010-05-31, 08:13 | Link #7477 |
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Attacked in the middle of the night. Carrying live weapons on board. Just what the fuck did those retarded Israelis think would fucking happen, when they attacked a ship in the middle of the night?
This is typical Israeli thugish behavior. They routinely fire on Palestinian fisherman, they show absolutely no regard for the lives of Palestinians or those that support them. |
2010-05-31, 08:15 | Link #7478 | |
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This Flotitlla was carrying stuff the Palestinians need , that Israel is not allwing to enter Gaza. So even if they had gone through proper channels, most of the stuff wouldn't haev gotten in. It is unacceptable that they prevent Cement, and other valuable building material that Gazan's need to rebuild the Gaza strip after that massacre Israel carried out in Dec 08/ Jan 09. Israel had no business attacking a ship in International waters. Their seige of Gaza is illegal under International Law. |
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2010-05-31, 08:29 | Link #7480 |
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Yes. I think that is pretty much a well established fact by now. Nothing has yet been done over the Goldstone report, i can bet nothing will be done here. This clearly sends a message to Israel, that they can behave however the fuck they want, and get away with it. If you can get away with war crimes and crimes against humanity, then we might as well just give up hope, that any justice will be done for these 19 martyrs of human rights.
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