Mass Effect 2 - BioWare

[synaesthetic]

@Kyero Fox: Cuz I like girls, and I'd like the person I'm role-playing to have a romance I can actually identify with.

Plus I want to squee.

I DEMAND THE SQUEE.

[Kyero Fox]

Originally Posted by synaesthetic

@Kyero Fox: Cuz I like girls, and I'd like the person I'm role-playing to have a romance I can actually identify with.

Plus I want to squee.

I DEMAND THE SQUEE.

Then for your sake I hope they dont rush this just to make Everyone happy. but please don't get your hopes up

[synaesthetic]

Oh I'll be okay with it even if there were no romances at all--I love Mass Effect, I honestly believe it's the best thing Bioware's ever done. I don't mark down ME2 for its lackluster lesbian romances--the game's still awesome and I still think the ME series only gets better with each additional installment. I really wish I could put ME1's game into ME2's UI and graphics engine. ME2 just plays so much better.

For the most part my Shepard's been far too busy kicking ass, blowing shit up and being a tough Renegade bitch to worry about sleeping with anyone...

[Kyero Fox]

Haha but you girls get garrus, surely he doesnt count as a man for lesbians, sure hes the male gender of the species but who knows! haha

Honestly i thought Jack would be super Bi. Thats the one "wth bioware?" that i had against them.

and LOL @ Kasumi havin it in for Jacop XD

and even if male shep couldnt romance tali i would still be like a father figure or Big bro to her. shes just too cute to not want to protect or love in some way XP

On a side note, what special armor would you guys want in ME3? Dragon age? Dead Space? Halo?

[liquidmetal]

Originally Posted by Kyero Fox

On a side note, what special armor would you guys want in ME3? Dragon age? Dead Space? Halo?

Would want it to automatically remove the helmet in conversations like in Dragon Age.

Made me stop using them throughout the whole game

[Kyero Fox]

yea except that visor you get from Omega, I love the dragon age armor but i wish the helm came off

[synaesthetic]

I always use that visor. It's really useful if you commonly use a weapon that routinely leaves a tiny sliver of life left on guys you headshot... *coughhandcannon*

[Kyero Fox]

UGH! i hate that XD I sware the Reaper boss survived my last sniper shot. I saw NO yellow bar.. it was empty, like he survived with 1 point XD

[Keroko]

Originally Posted by liquidmetal

Would want it to automatically remove the helmet in conversations like in Dragon Age.

Made me stop using them throughout the whole game

Heh, that's actually one of the things that annoyed me in DA:O. I had a cool helmet, and it never showed in conversations. I'd like the helmet thingy to be a toggle option.

[Drake]

I'd prefer it as a toggle option as well like the first had.

Sometimes having a helmet was cool like the Death Mask that makes you sound a bit like a storm trooper. xD

[Kyero Fox]

The ONLY thing I want in3 is tali's face and a good romance ending

[BetoJR]

The helmet toggle would be very welcomed by me. Tali's face, on the other hand... I dunno.

[Kyero Fox]

eh if they dont its fine, but they better not pull a DA2 with ME3.

[Keroko]

Keeping Tali's face a secret is one of the allures of her character, like Taokaka in Blazblue. Wanting to know what's beneath the mask stops being an attractive point when its revealed.

[LoweGear]

Unless the face revealed is so beautiful that it makes the attraction even better

[Kyero Fox]

Originally Posted by LoweGear

Unless the face revealed is so beautiful that it makes the attraction even better

guess you guys havent seen the fan art

surely if Asari look decent then Quarians will look even better, after all their cursed to live inside ugly suits. it wouldnt be a curse if they were butt ass ugly

[Keroko]

Originally Posted by Kyero Fox

guess you guys havent seen the fan art

surely if Asari look decent then Quarians will look even better, after all their cursed to live inside ugly suits. it wouldnt be a curse if they were butt ass ugly

And the main drive for drawing that fanart was because of the mystery. As long as the face remains a mystery, everyone's fanart is just as good an interpretation, and people will keep drawing many different Tali's. Your assumption that Quarians will 'look even better' is the same. As long as the Quarian's faces are never revealed, you will always keep wondering and imagining.

Don't underestimate the drive of the unknown.

[chaos_alfa]

I find it a bit stupid. Mass Effect hides nothing form it player, "Everything" is explained, but Tali's face is the one thing we may not know. Even Shepard has seen her face. Than why not the player.

And this:

Originally Posted by chaos_alfa

I'm still mad they didn't show it in ME2.

They created the perfect moment to show it, but they chickened out in the end.

It would have add much to the scene. Showing her face to Shepard would have made the romance scene much more intimate, because Shepard would be the only person in the galaxy (not counting her parents) that knew what she looks like under her mask. It would be a sign of how much Tali loves him and is willing to risk for their relationship.

By showing it to Shepard but not the player they also create a disconnection between the avatar and the player. Which is bad game design, because this is the only moments in the games (If I remember correctly) where Shepard knows something which the player doesn't.

[Keroko]

Like I said, mystery. Tali wouldn't have been nearly as popular a character as she is now if they'd just shown her face.

As for the bad game design... debatable. It certainly creates some amount of disconnect, but I won't call it bad game design. Given the choice between ruining the mystery or a bit of disconnect, I can fully understand why they chose the disconnect.

[chaos_alfa]

Originally Posted by Keroko

Like I said, mystery. Tali wouldn't have been nearly as popular a character as she is now if they'd just shown her face.

As for the bad game design... debatable. It certainly creates some amount of disconnect, but I won't call it bad game design. Given the choice between ruining the mystery or a bit of disconnect, I can fully understand why they chose the disconnect.

I understand your view. I just find it a bit jarring as this is the only instance in the game -to my knowledge- that this happens.

As a gamedesign student myself I wouldn't have made Tali a romance option to keep the game in line with the earlier established rules and to prevent this type of situation.

If there where more moments in the game where the player would feel disconnected with his player character I would give this instance a pass. Because the player would have already been accustom to these moments and would be prepared for it. So whenever these moments happen, it wouldn't bring the player as much out of the game as it did in the 'Tali sex scene'.