2010-06-27, 17:11 | Link #11861 | ||
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"Voyagers are frightened that the ends of their own journeys mean becoming a Creator. As to why they would be frightened of advancing to become a higher-order being, none can understand except they themselves." |
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2010-06-27, 17:14 | Link #11862 |
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Ah all right I must have missed that.
And I'm just adjusting the wiki, not the wikia, sorry. I don't really like the wikia network to be honest... I don't quite like the whole idea of working for free for people that make a lot of money with overly disturbing ads
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2010-06-27, 17:22 | Link #11863 | |
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"In Dawn, it is revealed that Battler was born from his "step-mother" Kyrie but somehow he was given to Asumu." Errr.... Or how about Erika: "After the true nature of her fate is brought to light (she did wash up onto Rokkenjima, but she was dead, having drowned in the ocean), she fades from existence and is ultimately removed from the story." WTF?! Maybe that's the source of mis-information. 8) |
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2010-06-27, 17:30 | Link #11864 | |
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Sadly the same things were reported on the wiki... for a certain time...
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It's true that Zepar is the one who uses "boku", I don't remember Furfur using it, but she does use it when they both talk at the same time. Plus "boku" while generally it's used by males it's not as manly as "ore" and sometimes even tomboyish girls are seen using it in anime and manga. Can we really say that as a matter of fact Zepar is the male and Furfur is the female? Or that it's even suggested it's so?
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2010-06-27, 17:34 | Link #11865 | ||
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Basically The "Battler" we know had a different name before he "reentered" the Ushiromiya register therefore his name is not exclusive. You could make him into a culprit this way. I'd like to say though he does have a chance to be "the culprit" behind the fake first twilights and not be involved in killing anyone. You could also say that if he's the culprit the only people giving him an alibi are the cousins and for them to murder people in the first twilight they have to slip by Battler anyway so it's not that out there for him to do the same.
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2010-06-27, 17:46 | Link #11866 | |
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I can't remember what Furfur used, but I would say there was absolutely no suggestion whatsoever as to their genders and whoever wants to correct that needs to add a citation. |
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2010-06-27, 17:46 | Link #11867 | |
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2010-06-27, 18:01 | Link #11868 | |
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I'm finding the whole 'sit in a room with cousins and play cards' rather dubious, mind you. You just met people you haven't seen for six years. You're not going to exhaust the stories accumulated in this manner for days. But assume you're tired of talking and need a change of pace. Then you sit and ...play cards? What? Not go out to ransack the grandfather's library, or show off photos from six years worth, or play a prank on the butler, none of the LOT of interesting things I can think of doing in an old household with decades of accumulated trash in every hole (and don't forget the skeletons in the closets you could search for to shake their hands and say 'hi') - none of these. You just sit and play cards. Literary characters can do that, sometimes, if the plot wallops them over the head with a pillow. Real teenagers? I don't think so.
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2010-06-27, 18:06 | Link #11869 |
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What the hell?! XD
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?...action=history How does a bot decides that I'm a vandal? meh...
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2010-06-27, 18:13 | Link #11870 | |
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2010-06-27, 18:14 | Link #11871 |
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I was about to change it to the more correct "gender" (although some believe that "gender" is psychological and "sex" is physical), but couldn't because the bot reverted it back. Let's see if I can adjust it now...
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2010-06-27, 19:34 | Link #11873 |
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Random.
End of Ep3, Evatrice's puzzle which we have just mentioned yesterday. Beatrice: "Starting now, I will deny witches in red. I will slice up the game board that she has laid out with her red. ...By doing that, ...I will probably lose my form as a witch as well. ...If you also hear the red truth I will tell, you will understand my true form." Which means that there exists a red statement or a reasonably short set of red statements that will explain how Nanjo died, and which will also expose who Beatrice is, assuming Evatrice is a distinct culprit not equivalent to Beatrice. Otherwise, Beatrice's statement cannot be true -- it's not red, of course, but let's assume for a moment that it's true anyway. Using the idea that a time lag exists between the red certifying everyone's death and the moment Nanjo is dead solves the problem by explaining how could someone kill Nanjo -- by dying between killing Nanjo and being declared dead in red together with everyone. However, this gives no leads whatsoever on Beatrice's true form, so if Beatrice's statement to Battler is true, that's probably not it. Are any other solutions of Evatrice's wall of red possible? Alternatively, if the time lag idea is correct, is there a way it could expose Beatrice anyway?
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2010-06-27, 19:44 | Link #11874 |
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I guess chronotrig would point out that since personalities can be killed then simply Kanon and Shannon dying does not prove that the host body did as well. This of course would have strong implications with Beatrice's true nature.
However Beatrice should have stopped her killing spree since the epitaph was solved.... unless Evatrice is just another fake personality created by Sayo who took over.
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2010-06-27, 20:13 | Link #11875 | |
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No, it should be something relatively simple, but highly inobvious, like a method to resolve the contradiction so that none of the survivors killed Nanjo directly or indirectly, but somehow they managed to do it anyway.
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2010-06-27, 20:16 | Link #11876 |
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That option shouldn't be possible... the red is very clear about that...
Of course one of my earliest theory was that: The real Nanjo was killed before the start of the game. The Nanjo in Rokkenjima is an impostor. this however doesn't have any tie with Beatrice. Unless the impostor is Beatrice...
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2010-06-27, 20:30 | Link #11877 | ||
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Though, one thing keeps bugging me. In the scene when the gun accidentally discharges, Nanjo is said to be between Jessica and Eva. To actually get a cornea burn, you need to be within 5-7cm from the muzzle. How is it possible to point a short Winchester in such a way that Jessica can get those and not blow her or Nanjo's head open?...
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2010-06-27, 21:31 | Link #11879 |
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There's the fact that Battler has never seen Nanjo before. So you don't even need a disguise.
The problem is... why would everyone else lie about Nanjo's identity? If I am allowed to go on wild speculations... I could imagine the Nanjo everyone saw is just an impostor payed by Natsuhi and Krauss to back up their plan. Of course you can't deny that a real Nanjo exists and that he was Kinzo's friend and all since it's confirmed by the 1998 perspective. But maybe this Nanjo doctor could only go as far as to keep silent about that, and refused to be directly involved in such a cover up. For what we know it is possible that no one outside of the "Kinzo is still alive circle" has ever seen Nanjo before 1985. After all Battler doesn't remember him from previous family meetings.
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