2004-02-20, 22:53
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Gunslinger Girl (the ending) [spoilers]
well...i thought this was an awesome series but i wished there would be more.
I don't know why but...i think it would be better if Angelica died when watching the stars instead of falling asleep...it would be perfect! |
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2004-02-21, 00:07
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Looks fun...Time to jump!
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 But truthly we don;t know if she died, its not official and its up to the viewer.
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2004-02-21, 00:21
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Join Date: Nov 2003
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Well, they could have been following the manga where, if I'm not wrong, she didn't die ...
There is a lot of evidence showing that she could have died, but you cannot proclaim it so soundly. It is quite possible they're just teasing us. Even if it's more likely she died... they could be giving a twist to it, for all you know! Though she was gonna die soon anyway so :P |
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2004-02-21, 00:49
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Looks fun...Time to jump!
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Yeah you're right, in the magna she didn;t die and the anime is a very close repesentation of the the magna so I do believe that she didn;t die. I just hope they have an OVA or and Movie for in the future! Anyway to support GsG i'm going to ge the rest of the magnas and the DVD in Japan some how. |
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2004-02-21, 02:28
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2004-02-21, 04:18
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If she didn't die, then I think the ending wouldn't be this good. The beauty of it is that Angelica finally gains Marco's affection in the end, and I can't think of any better way to go for her. Somehow I guess I'm thinking in the positive way too
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2004-02-21, 05:18
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I thought Angelica died also because she didnt wake up when Marco called to her, and she was having memory problems like parts of her were starting to not function.
I also find it very sad that all of the girls will die soon. I mean they were in a situation where they were going to die anyways but it seems that they could have saved them instead of condemming them to death. There had been talks in other threads of what will happen to the girls when their bodies grow and mature and they are full of cybernetic parts. Well now we know. They die. And Triela was still my favorite |
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2004-02-21, 05:27
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OK.
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: The Fields of High Attus
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Damn, if I read the manga and I get to the part where Triela dies, I'm probably going to cry. Really.
Maybe not as much as *cough* the end of Seisouhen *cough*, but still... I find what was said in the last ep about her very true. She knows 3 langauges and comes up with Beethoven to raise spirits on a cold night... and she's such a nice girl, she didn't deserve to be a gitai. I dunno - which do you think is better? Dying or being a gitai and then dying later? At least you're being useful to someone as a gitai, though I dunno about whether it's morally useful... Edit: To avoid confusion, I don't think Triela has actually died yet in the manga. But I'm pretty sure they all will eventually. ;_; (If she doesn't I'll be singing Symphony No. 9. La la la la la la la la la la la la laaaa-la laa...) Last edited by wao; 2004-02-21 at 05:29. Reason: edit |
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2004-02-21, 05:38
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Takes no brain to choose which is better for her. Rico: Either she remain in bed forever, becoming a medical burden to her family or she is a marksperson for Section 2. Angelica: Completely paralyzed because of your own parents try to kill you for insurance or become pioneer bionic operator for Section 2. Claes: At least she got to read books again, instead of remaining in bed , hovering between life and death. Henrietta: Victim of brutal rape, her uterus has to be removed plus some of her limbs have to amputated due to severe trauma by very brutal killer. Or have memory conditioned and rebulit body to be an unothrodox counter terrorist operator on behalf of Italian government. As you can see, they don't have much option.
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2004-02-21, 06:24
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I agree with stormy. Thier fate may not be the best in life, but it's better than what it would have been if they weren't choosen by Section 2.
I think it was left open whether Angelica died or fell asleep. It apeared to me they were trying to imply she died. It makes a good ending to imply she dies, but leaves it open for more. I really hope there will be more. |
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2004-02-21, 07:00
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I think Angelica dieing watching the stars with marco by her side is beatifull. In a funny way, it almost shows that there is another way for the girls. She didn? die in a field with a bullet through her brain like poor rejected Elsa did. She died at piece and reasonably free of pain. She died happy, and quietly, without excess trauma. Not on some cold, blood splatered ground somewhere. The fact the others have finally shown outward expressions of joy (with the singing etc) shows the gift of humanity they have won and I think that anges death is a nice counterpoint. This wouldn? work so well if she was just asleep, but the ambiguity really makes it something more again. It forces you to think on both sides. Beautifully done I must say.
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2004-02-21, 07:38
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We'll miss u Hughes
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 I have to totally agree, it was a beautiful ending; with the girls singing beethoven (which almost seemed like they were singing for Ange) all getting along, then Ange and Marco finally sorting it out. If they dont make another series then yes, she did die, however, if they do make another series i think we will see her back again  From a writers POV bringing her back from what people assumed is death by some sort of medical breakthrough with the conditioning medication (??) will make a lot of people watch it again imo (like they werent gonna anyway!), but itll be a nice twist and continuity thing.On another note: Anyone know what the very last scene was between Henrietta and Jose was about? After the credits. I had feared the ending was gonna either not go anywhere, or kill everyone off. Im glad they ended it the way they did. |
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2004-02-21, 16:14
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Edit: Oh, and to state the obvious, this also comes full circle with the initial scene in episode 1. |
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2004-02-21, 20:41
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Do you Gentoo?
Join Date: Dec 2003
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Regarding whether or not Angelica died, if she did die, it would bring more closure in my opinion. However, if she didn't, then I agree that that would leave it open for a second season. Now, if indeed she did die, then I think that the ending was a rather "bitter-sweet" one. The scene shifts back and forth between the other girls singing happily and Angelica dying. It makes for an interesting contrast. But Angelica's death (assuming that she did die) is not necesarily that sad though. She and Marco finally made up.. I dunno.. There's still a lot open in my opinion. For example, when Henrietta was crying because she couldn't watch the stars with Jose, and then you never hear anything about it again. But that's just me. |
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2004-02-21, 22:18
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Join Date: Dec 2003
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Well, I personally think there are at least two ways to interpret that ending. You can either say that Ange died while listening to Marco's story, which is VERY beautiful, might I add, because she finally remembered all or some of what she lost from the conditioning. To have your memory back is sweet indeed.
Another way to interpret the ending is to say that she merely fell into a peaceful slumber, and will die later. That however, is less climatic, and since there are lots of evidence to support the original theory, this one is less likely, but still possible. Who knows? GsG as a whole was close to a masterpiece though, no matter how you interpret the ending. There's some food for thought for you deep philisophical people.. heh |
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2004-02-21, 23:59
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IMHO, at the end, the series went full circle. Its theme was stated by Claes in the first episode: "Young fella, enjoy your youth" (as per ANBU's translation). Those girls suffered terrible things after and before joining that damn Corporation, but they should still be able to find joy, happiness and comradery, even if it's just temporary. Of course, it began with stargazing, and ended with stargazin, too.
Secondary theme would be that, no matter what happens, what you do or become, nobody can steal your humanity. Count me in among those who think Ange is dead. At least, she died peacifully and with Marco at her side. You can't use the manga to prove she's still alive because most of this episode happens early in the manga. The animators changed the order. Ange's story is told later and she's, naturally, alive. I still want to know what happens to the remaining girls (althought it probably will left me scarred for life). Nevertheles, I'm happy I got to see animated this, my favorite story from the manga. It was very nice to see a story without violence (but still, death was present). However, I'm a bit peeved because Spoiler:
2) We didn't hear all the girls actually singing Who else thinks it was nicely ironic that a hymn about joy as a most exalted feeling that shoud embrace all mankind as brothers is sung by a group of remorseless, merciless killers? That a hymn originally about liberty and freedom instead of joy, is sung by a group of brainwashed, conditioned creatures being manipulated like puppets by their supervisors using the unbreakable strings of honest and sincere love? With the rather open final, I can be in perpetual self-denial, telling myself that the girls didn't meet their sad ends, that they continue living and finding laughter and bright days whenever is possible. They will never die, rather, they'll sail into the sunset like the legends of ancient times. Yes, I'm very moved by the story of those poor girls who, in any other circunstances, would have become wonderfully nice people. I still want to think their souls remain pure and unsullied, even if their hands are red in blood. Well, it was one hell of ride, one of my most favorite Anime of all times, a class on itself with their design, music and setting. So full of unforgettable moments and memorable characters. Triela will live forever, at least in my memories she will. |
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