2009-08-25, 21:33 | Link #2664 | |
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On a side note, I did hear that some youngsters today cannot write kanji properly, since they rely too much on PCs and mobile phones.
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2009-08-25, 21:35 | Link #2665 | |
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2009-08-25, 22:45 | Link #2666 |
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The Japanese start learning Kanji as soon as 1st grade (by the end of elementary school, they should know >1006 Kyoiku - "education" Kanji), and keep learning more until the age of 15. So generally speaking, they know Kanji very well and can read newspapers very fast. I heard that some people even read faster by reading Kanji columns diagonally, but I don't know how that works.
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2009-08-26, 05:45 | Link #2668 |
耳をすませば
Join Date: Mar 2006
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In my opinion: as soon as possible. It's a slow and long process. It's a very different process learning kanji from the perspective of growing up with it in Japan, than it is to suddenly face the task of memorizing hundreds and hundreds of symbols up front when learning it as a second language. Many people I know start Japanese and can easily understand conversations while their kanji skills still proceed at a slow pace.
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2009-08-26, 08:55 | Link #2669 | |
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Anyways, I am intimidated by the difficulty of kanji. So I guess I 'm just gonna learn speaking and maybe enough to read signs and stuff. |
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2009-08-26, 13:36 | Link #2672 | |
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And if you plan to use the book, this site will be of great help http://kanji.koohii.com/ It works great for me. You only need book 1 (for the first 2000 kanjis) and book 3 (for the next 1000). Forget about book 2 (well, you can use it but I don't think it helps much). After that, learn the hiragana and katakana. @LiberLibri: thx, but after, another listening for another 30 times, it's still "な" Can someone check if I heard it properly? It's from Nodame Cantabile, Paris-Hen, ep.7 at 2:16, Rui's line. (Right after Nodame told her why she was kicked out) |
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2009-08-26, 14:31 | Link #2673 |
HoshiiOtaku
Join Date: Aug 2009
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Music
So...I did some research on music and learning. Actually even in the womb the brain learns musicaly. That is the exact way we learn our native language, through the music and lullabys our parents sing to us.According to my research, Music is the best way to learn. Scientist use music to teach stroke patients how to talk again. Studies show that even though a patient can't talk properly they can still sing and dance! So they studied kids, adults, and the elderly and all had posative results. Music helps you learn BETTER. I have also uncoverd that the brain is thicker in the areas that govern Speach, math, cohesion, your general 'learning' skill if you learn an instrament; Music increases your perseption thus allowing you to learn faster and easyer. So basicly if you want to excel in anything, learn an instrament first (No wonder why I feel listening to Japanese music has helped me learn the language!) Oh yeah! Infants cry in patterns that reflect the music there culture creates. Just sayin'......They talk by singing to you!
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2009-08-26, 16:54 | Link #2674 | |
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2009-08-28, 09:52 | Link #2676 |
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japanese learn basic kanji from 7 to 15 age, this is 1945.
japanese news paper is made up by this kanji. this often are useful. even japanese people, kanji that removed this is little understandable. so, then it often supplement with hiragana. you should start from kanji among this 1945. |
2009-08-28, 11:25 | Link #2677 | |
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Speaking of learning kanji. I learn them as they appear in my textbook. When I have to to learn at all, that is. And the textbook is written by a professor who teaches Japanese so she knows it better which way would be most effective. I must say that when I was learning the starting level kanji were given in lists separately from words. When I went to learn the middle level (that’s where I am) the textbook I’m using now only gives lists of words but in large amounts. The good side of it is that you learn new kanji along with words which is much more effective and it saves time. いわば、一石二鳥のことです。
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ノダメさん、今日の予定は? Well, at least this is the only variant which is grammatically correct. And when you hear ‘na’ I think it’s because it comes right after ‘kyo’ which is heavily stressed here. A bad comparison, perhaps, but in Russian it is standard to say ‘a’ in place of written ‘o’ in the unstressed position. In Japanese, on the other hand, replacing sounds is strictly prohibited. So here the only explanation why you can catch ‘na’ here is that ‘no’ is pronounced in a low tone and quickly here. A slight assimilation with ‘yo’ perhaps.
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2009-08-28, 12:52 | Link #2678 |
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Thx. Ye, the "o" sound of "kyo" is so pronounced that I couldn't hear the next "o" in "no." Hmm... interesting. I notice some adjective ending with "na" to modify a noun, say "zetsupouteki na kimochi" (depressed spirit/ or just depressed, lulz) while some adjective uses "no" to modify a noun ( chaniro no inu, a brown dog). I didn't learn any grammar, just the patterns from the sentences I have.
I can easily mistake "chaniro no inu" with "chaniro na inu" this way, cant I? |
2009-08-28, 13:02 | Link #2679 | |
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So in the usual Japanese fashion on culture issues ... they're worrying about it before it is a huge problem. DOING something about it is another matter however
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2009-08-28, 13:59 | Link #2680 | |
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