School Days - Episode 7 Discussion / Poll

[MetaSigma]

Originally Posted by Mr.Incest

The bullying has got to stop. But I don't think Makoto has enough balls to do just that. About otome's self esteem. How did what kotonoha say in ep.6 hit her. It's like rubbing salt on a wound that time.

Basically when you trump the bully you expose his/her weakest points. Because it's your weakest point you don't know what to do and it exposes the lie about what's going on.

[Thingle]

Originally Posted by MetaSigma

Basically when you trump the bully you expose his/her weakest points. Because it's your weakest point you don't know what to do and it exposes the lie about what's going on.

Yeah and Otome's ego got whooped big time.

[Mai Kawasumi]

I forgot to mention

Spoiler for Hikari...:

Poor, poor Hikari, Taisuke you baka >_>

[Thingle]

Her dumb guy asked Kotonoha to dance with him in front of her. And who's that dark haired one behind her... I like that scene in which her glare made kotonoha cry, Awwww :P

[Aceywacey]

Nanami = --points this ep.

I have no idea how she deduced that Kotonoha was enticing Taisuke as well.

I thought at least Sekai's friends would throw her a bone, but I guess they're on Sekai's side first and foremost, and everyone is against her.

Sekai's lie that Kotonoha had broken up with Makoto already is really putting Koto in a bad light.

[Deathkillz]

Originally Posted by Mai Kawasumi

I forgot to mention

Spoiler for Hikari...:

Poor, poor Hikari, Taisuke you baka >_>

not really...never liked hikari's personality (on par with sekai's minus points) ~ have no idea wth she sees in that perverted saru and dont wanna know

Originally Posted by Aceywacey

I have no idea how she deduced that Kotonoha was enticing Taisuke as well.

pure bias...

kotonoha getting bullied left right and center...sheesh she needs a break >_<

[Sinestra]

Originally Posted by MetaSigma

Basically when you trump the bully you expose his/her weakest points. Because it's your weakest point you don't know what to do and it exposes the lie about what's going on.

Good point the min you take the power out of a bullies hands is when you have exposed their weak point. As long as one allows a bully to maintain power they will always be a bully. The best way to shut down a girl bully in high school is to attack her self esteem after you do that they will go down faster than a porn star. The draw back is they sometimes become even more vindictive. In School days Otome has taken that route since Koto has taken from her that which she most desires

[MetaSigma]

Originally Posted by Sinestra

Good point the min you take the power out of a bullies hands is when you have exposed their weak point. As long as one allows a bully to maintain power they will always be a bully. The best way to shut down a girl bully in high school is to attack her self esteem after you do that they will go down faster than a porn star. The draw back is they sometimes become even more vindictive. In School days Otome has taken that route since Koto has taken from her that which she most desires

Of course if they become more vindictive it just exposes the cowardice that they're fighting with, and other people will rally around the person being bullied more and more.

[Sinestra]

Originally Posted by MetaSigma

Of course if they become more vindictive it just exposes the cowardice that they're fighting with, and other people will rally around the person being bullied more and more.

Normally yes but in this case with Koto who basically has no friends who would rally around her. I would like to think that Motoko would given how he seemed concerned in episode 7 but only to fall back to his cowardly ways again. So the question is assuming something bad were to happen to Koto with that video camera who would come to her aid?

[MetaSigma]

Originally Posted by Sinestra

Normally yes but in this case with Koto who basically has no friends who would rally around her. I would like to think that Motoko would given how he seemed concerned in episode 7 but only to fall back to his cowardly ways again. So the question is assuming something bad were to happen to Koto with that video camera who would come to her aid?

well considering the fact that Sekai may be exposed to her friends, it could be her friends rally around Koto, for the fact that she stood strong through it all and was actually the one that was truthful. It is possible...highly improbable, but definitely possible

[Nvis]

What are those "bullies" trying to do, asking Kotonoha for all that stuff?

The camera in the gym storage room = WTH are they filming?

[Zeira]

IN am also completely curisou as to what is the purpose of the scene withthe camcorder. I really want to know what is goingto happen with that.

I am so late, but I want to comment anyway.

Sekai: I used to kind of feel bad for her. She has made a lot of mistakes, and did many things wrong. It is hard seeing someone you liek with someone else. The more she tried to push Makoto off on to Koto, she realized more and more how much she liked him, but it was already to late.

I mean I know she betrayed her friend, and it was low, but before eps 7 they made it seem like she had some kind of guilt. In the beginning she was following her feelings, no matter who got hurt in the process, and she seemed to feel bad about it. Now that she has lied about being Mako GF, it seems like she has fooled herself in to beleiving that the lie is true.

ok, what makes her really bad now is that she clealry knows right from wrong. When setsuna was being strict, Sekai clearly stated that Setsuna was going to far. She was alwasy telling Mako that what they were doing is wrong. However, she alwasy goes along with what is wrong, even though she knows it is wrong. She ignores Koto on the field, and when she is at Mako's house, she has the audacity to get mad at him for talking to HIS GF. She knows right from wrong, and just doesn't care. She deserved more then a slap.

Makoto: There is nothign to sya about him. There is no redeeming himself. Yeah, Sekai is wrong, but he is playing on the emotions of both girls. He is a lost casue.

Koto: We see that she is stronger then most would think she is. She is putting up with a lot of drama, and bullying. Yeah she cried, but I think most would have started crying way before that.

[Darklightz]

Well,Sekai has a very hard choice to make. What she wants and what is right are 2 opposite things. And really, who can say in all honesty they would sacrifice their own happiness to do the right thing so easily? Sekai is very human in that respect

But at least she feels remorse,while Makoto doesn't feel anything at all.

And poor Kotonoha,lots of her strenght comes from her love for Makoto.

[Echoes]

I agree that what Sekai wants and what is "right" doesn't seem to match in this case, but that's not really the problem we're faced with. She could fairly easily have Makoto break it off with Koto before letting him into her life. That way she'd still end up with Makoto, and Koto would hopefully be able to cope with the loss without finding out that both of her best friends lied to her and betrayed her over a long period of time.

I'd settle for that, but what she's doing now is close to an atrocity. Poor Koto indeed.

[Chewy]

Originally Posted by Darklightz

And poor Kotonoha,lots of her strenght comes from her love for Makoto.

I don't think Kotonoha loves Makoto at all. She probably cares less for him (in a boyfriend/girlfriend relationship) than Sekai. All Kotonoha really wants is a good friend/ally in school to escape from the loneliness. That is her motivator. Of course, she probably won't admit this to herself and deluded herself into thinking she actually cares about Makoto.

I mean, just look at how they met. She saw that Makoto was always with her on the train and started to like him, without having talked to him even once. A lot of people say it's because Makoto is supposedly good looking, but I really don't think that's it. He isn't designed as the typical good looking character, nor is he a smooth talker. The only reason I can think of for this attraction is that Kotonoha liked the feeling of "non-threatening companionship" (Makoto, who's from the same grade, is always there with her, but doesn't try to hit on her because he's shy). Of course, she eventually had to give up some ground when she realizes there are certain things she must do in order to keep him interested in her (thus stay as her friend/ally).

Basically, Kotonoha's motivation for the relationship is much more about herself than about Makoto.

There are also a few things to support the idea in this episode (her outburst at Taisuke, the fact she gets mad at Sekai but not Makoto), but I want to see what happens in the next episode before I say anything else.

[Zeira]

I could live with it if they told koto and went about there merry way.

What I am referring to as right and wrong isn't that she betrayed her friend or any of that. All of that is done.

However, now that the damage has been done she is just going along with it. The whole ignoring koto on the field, and letting people think that she and moko are goign out. that is what I am referrign to as wrong.

the right thing to do, would be what she wanted to do from the get go, have mokoto break it of with koto. In reality it isn't Sekai's responsibility but moko's. She knows that letting people think they are togther, when in reality he is still Koto's BF is just wrong.

the wrong thing is just going with the flow. Telling people that he broke it off with koto and letting htem think they are together. So basically Sekai and Mokoto can prance around in the open like GF and BF and know would now the wiser. While Koto is stuck being bullied, seeing her friend with her BF, and there is nothign koto could do about it.

Sekai took it to the next level by lieing and say that Moko broke it of with koto. It has gotten to the point where most girls would be like ok, you need to break it off with her.. Period. But Sekai seems to have no issue with leaving it as it is. With being Moko's girlfriend, even though he never broke up with Koto. As long as the school is on her side, and they beleive that she is Moko's GF, she doesn't seem to care anymore about koto's feelings.

I am as drastic to say she doesn't care anymore cause when she found out moko spoke to Koto, even though Setsuna tried to stop him.. she got mad...


As for the comment about Koto, I agree. I do think that Sekai's feelings for Moko are stronger then Koto's.

[Deathkillz]

Originally Posted by Chewy

I don't think Kotonoha loves Makoto at all. She probably cares less for him (in a boyfriend/girlfriend relationship) than Sekai. All Kotonoha really wants is a good friend/ally in school to escape from the loneliness. That is her motivator. Of course, she probably won't admit this to herself and deluded herself into thinking she actually cares about Makoto.

i disagree
from what i can see kotonoha is clearly in love with makoto to the point shes beating herself up with her own confusion as to why makoto is spending less time with her and more with sekai ~ its a possiblility that she is just looking for friends but in all case why makoto? i see taisuke wanting to be friends with her but kotonoha is only interested in makoto (because she loves him) ~

I mean, just look at how they met. She saw that Makoto was always with her on the train and started to like him, without having talked to him even once. A lot of people say it's because Makoto is supposedly good looking, but I really don't think that's it. He isn't designed as the typical good looking character, nor is he a smooth talker. The only reason I can think of for this attraction is that Kotonoha liked the feeling of "non-threatening companionship" (Makoto, who's from the same grade, is always there with her, but doesn't try to hit on her because he's shy). Of course, she eventually had to give up some ground when she realizes there are certain things she must do in order to keep him interested in her (thus stay as her friend/ally).

looking at it this way ~ when a girl like her notices some noticing her then its only natural for that girl to notice him back ~ this is the case for kotonoha
she got curious of this "guy" (who is supposidly good looking *pukes up in a bag*) and by chance even got to met him when all she thought was that she can only look at him for afar ~ feelings soon grew from this as they got to "know" each other (i laugh at this seeing how little kotonoha really knows about makoto ~ its a shame that shes too naive to know the fact that he is a complete scum though i cant blame her being the type who hasnt had much experience with people ~ who are mostly the types that wanna push her down or the bully types) ~
i do not believe that she is being forced to be touched as she seems pretty happy hugging him after a huge confidence boost ~ i see the sign as a change that she is breaking from her other shell and opening up to people even if makoto was somewhat responsible telling her to try harder (though the way hes doing it he should be purged in hell!)

good to see kotonoha growing a spine to stand up for herself but shes doing it for the wrong person is the bottom line :/

Basically, Kotonoha's motivation for the relationship is much more about herself than about Makoto.

There are also a few things to support the idea in this episode (her outburst at Taisuke, the fact she gets mad at Sekai but not Makoto), but I want to see what happens in the next episode before I say anything else.

i didnt think it was for him in the first place besides the "touchy" parts ~

and the outburst on sekai because she feels that it was her who was the traitor ~ not knowing the full picture just like setsuna konotoha hurt a person (but in this case sekai half deserved it ~ the other half is left for makoto :3)

[Chewy]

Originally Posted by Deathkillz

i disagree
from what i can see kotonoha is clearly in love with makoto to the point shes beating herself up with her own confusion as to why makoto is spending less time with her and more with sekai ~ its a possiblility that she is just looking for friends but in all case why makoto? i see taisuke wanting to be friends with her but kotonoha is only interested in makoto (because she loves him) ~

Well, Kotonoha is a nice girl who grew up in a stable family. She most likely grew up learning she has to be loyal when it comes to relationships. In my opinion, not showing interest in Taisuke is because of that sense of loyalty, not because she's actually loves Makoto. So in that sense, I agree with you. She is only interested in Makoto and not Taisuke, but not because she loves Makoto, but because after they began their relationship, she felt a sense of loyalty towards Makoto.

I know I don't have too much evidence to back up this claim about Kotonoha just yet, but maybe some more will show up in later episodes.

and the outburst on sekai because she feels that it was her who was the traitor ~ not knowing the full picture just like setsuna konotoha hurt a person (but in this case sekai half deserved it ~ the other half is left for makoto :3)

But how do you explain the outburst on Taisuke ? She doesn't get worked up until he mentions he heard Kotonoha and Makoto broke up. Yes, she is confused over Makoto's betrayal, but it seems like the idea of Makoto leaving her is much more unbearable for her. The sharp difference in reaction between realizing Makoto is cheating and realizing Makoto may leave her seems to suggest there is more going on...

[Akabane_Kun]

AHHH~ so refreshing that slap i just sawXD,sekai did deserve it but the real prob has we all know is the perv matoko that just cant be a litle bit man and say in the face of kotonoha that hes a perv and just wants to eat "meat" for lunch and dinner.I just hope that makoto ends whif NONE of the two and dies in a car accident and go to hell and suffer a enternal suffering(yes he makes me sick i hope i could enter the anime and kick is ass like no tomorrow).

[Akabane_Kun]

Originally Posted by Chewy

But how do you explain the outburst on Taisuke ? She doesn't get worked up until he mentions he heard Kotonoha and Makoto broke up. Yes, she is confused over Makoto's betrayal, but it seems like the idea of Makoto leaving her is much more unbearable for her. The sharp difference in reaction between realizing Makoto is cheating and realizing Makoto may leave her seems to suggest there is more going on...

I dont think that kotonoha is being selfcentered in this relationship,cuz shes a gorgeous girl shes like a model to all girls in school,she wouldnt waste time whif makoto knowing well that she can get any boy she wants.
This is just a guess but i think she didnt care as mutch for the betrayal as for the broken stuff cuz. she thinks its her fault that he start dating sekai(prove to that is when shes in her room and remenbers sekai and makoto having relations and then starts to remenber the times she rejected makoto perv stuffs and wonders if it wasnt all her fault that he dumped her),so i presume she's trying to redeme herself and try to chance so that she doesnt loose him for good and thats why she was so shocked when taisuke said that they werent daiting anymore,cuz that mean she cant fix what she did.

Thats my teory at least.