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View Poll Results: Boku wa Tomodachi ga Sukunai NEXT - Episode 8 Rating | |||
Perfect 10 | 12 | 23.53% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 17 | 33.33% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 13 | 25.49% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 7 | 13.73% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 2 | 3.92% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 0 | 0% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 0 | 0% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 0 | 0% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 0 | 0% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 0 | 0% | |
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2013-03-02, 20:10 | Link #61 | |
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Good summary of the episode. Never thought of the club as a form of multi-party prisoner's dilemma before. It's in everyone's best interest to avoid admitting their relationship regardless of what the others do, so nobody ends up doing so. |
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2013-03-03, 05:49 | Link #64 | |
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Frankly I was sympathetic to Yozora because i thought the story was being harsher to her than it needed to be (Why can't she value her past relationship with Kodaka? It may have gone a little overboard but she could just tone it down. She doesn't have to "let go") but that doesn't change what the story's point was.
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2013-03-03, 06:28 | Link #65 |
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I thought the point of the story is not for the characters to change their eccentric personalities - their oddity makes them, and the series. Rather it is for viewers to discover their more desirable attributes and in time to even tolerate/like their oddities in combination.
Those desire for a character to NOT be who they are, if granted makes for a rather boring show. I don't understand the pursuit of a 'perfect' character personality-wise, when it is clearly the wrong show for it. For example, next episode will likely be interpreted yet again differently within the viewership. Some will claim it is just payback, or the story's intention to teach a lesson/making a negative example of a character. Personally I find the flaws shown making the character more endearing instead.... |
2013-03-03, 08:25 | Link #67 | |
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Implying that they should all work towards normalcy.
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2013-03-03, 08:56 | Link #68 |
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Their eccentric personalities prevented them to become friends with other people the whole time.
The whole story is about "change". They become more social, they are less selfish, they get along and they start to think about each other. They are now able to become real good friends because of this changes. |
2013-03-03, 09:30 | Link #69 | |
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Now that I noticed it, Yukimura has started to speak without anyone's cues.
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2013-03-03, 09:35 | Link #70 | |
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For us? Well, yeah, if they're not crazy, there's no story and we aren't entertained. |
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2013-03-03, 09:38 | Link #71 | |
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This then leads everyone to focus on "who is a better girlfriend for Kodaka" and to view every interaction between Sena and Yozora as a rivalry. The bitter friendship between Yozora and Sena is just as essential to the story as their relationships with Kodaka. It is a love triangle, but it's not just two girls fighting over a guy. They're fighting about how close should they be. This episode made everything explicit and brought out in the open what has always been the real issue of the show. Referencing TVTropes Triang Relationships page: Kodaka wants a platonic type 8 relationship. "Why can't all three of them be friends" Sena wants type 7, a platonic friendship with Yozora and a romance with Kodaka. Yozora's childhood friendship with Kodaka is blocking both of those connections. "Why can't you just let go of the past." Yozora views the whole thing as type 6, she and Kodaka have made a connection, and then this Sena girl came along and is trying to break them apart (trying to turn it into type 7). Both in the sense that Sena is a rival trying to replace Yozora as Kodaka's friend/girlfriend, and in the sense that Sena is trying to replace Taka in Yozora's heart. "They aren't three, they're just two plus one." "Everyone" focuses on the rivalry between Sena and Yozora for Kodaka, and ignores the second aspect of Sena trying to connect with Yozora- and how Yozora feels threatened by that. It's further complicated by the fact that Yozora doesn't know how she feels about Kodaka. Is it a purely platonic friendship, or is it a budding romance of childhood friends. Yozora thought it was the first until Rika exposed her to the idea of "friends" kissing. Now she's starting feel attracted to Kodaka as a romance partner. Is that because he's the only friend she has, and so she's mistaking friendship for romance? Or is this the long lasting romance that started out as friends? Yozora is a very shy girl and needs time and calm to sort this out. Instead she's getting all this pressure and urgency because Sena is making moves. I can completely understand Yozora's viewpoint and frustration. Doesn't mean I like Yozora, as she's certainly one of the harshest Ice Queens I've seen. But I don't particularly care for Sena either, as she's arrogant and significantly lacks self-control. Most people are cluing in that Sena's goal is the most closely compatible with Kodaka's goal. Just have Sena and Kodaka in a romance, while they are both a platonic friend to Yozora. Everybody is happy. Except why is Kodaka's goal the valid one? And why are Kodaka's romance preferences not considered? It's pretty clear that Kodaka likes demure, modest, chaste, and intelligent girls. Preferably with long dark hair, and perhaps a little tomboyish. Yozora is the girl closest to Kodaka's preferences, if only she would drop the harsh, mean, Ice Queen persona. Which is in fact a mask, one that she has worn so long that she doesn't even know how to take it off any more- unless she's with "Taka." This episode was the first time Sena was able to really crack that mask open a bit and show the shy, terrified tomboy inside. As a side note, another thing to take away from the last two episodes is that Yozora is suffering from some gender confusion. She apparently wants to be seen as a boy and not a girl. Is this just because the last time she had a friendship with Taka he saw her as a boy? Or is there something more going on?
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2013-03-03, 09:41 | Link #72 | ||
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So what if her intentions weren't exactly to help Yukimura? What matters is for Yukimura herself to have something to believe in. And from what I've heard, Yozora has a hard time saying no to Yukimura. Would need to check the LN for that though. Quote:
And lets face it, they're not exactly interested in 'bettering' themselves.
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2013-03-03, 10:47 | Link #73 | |
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regardless Yozora is plainly annoying a lot of times and really in need of being brought down a notch, for her own sake too,towards to her goal of getting friends (or romance), stated (or otherwise), towards kodaka (or some other person). BTW Sena is annoying a lot of times too but she gets hers quite frequently enough from Yozora & others... I do get your gripes about excesses in shipping though. err...KodakaXKobato ....that's taboo territory. actually I'm all for Rika end, which I actually mean I prefer Rika over all the other girls, for myself . For Kodaka? who cares let him choose who he wants,everyone or no one, did u mean SaintessHeartXKobato ?
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2013-03-03, 13:32 | Link #75 | |
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Well that's just to be expected isn't it? Not everyone is going to come to the same conclusions about what the focus of the story is.
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2013-03-03, 13:47 | Link #76 | ||
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2013-03-03, 14:34 | Link #77 | |
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2013-03-03, 15:33 | Link #80 | |
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The more likely explanation is simply, Yozora being a shut-in, gets her social cues from the internet. Whereas normal children learn to interact with with each other, she has a somewhat warped view. Rape is a common theme in many a Japanese online novels/cell phone novels popular amongst teenage girls. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cell_phone_novel Just like her 'dress sense', it's trendy and seemingly popular, but the meaning is lost to her. As for the part about the possibility of almost being raped and wishing it on someone else, I can assure you such things do not exist. Last edited by potchip; 2013-03-03 at 15:48. |
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