2013-01-10, 05:48 | Link #22 |
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No matter how much people say anime is declining, I've managed to find at least one very enjoyable series every season and always at least one great series every year... for at least the past decade. It's not that there's less good stuff, it's that there's more mediocre stuff. People seem to forget how much is being made now compared to a decade (or especially more) ago.
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As many people pointed out, this thread has been done over and over and over in recent years, months, and even weeks and -- frankly -- it's been done much better too. Or, I could say... I generally think that most of these threads are garbage, and this one shamelessly adheres to cliche arguments and archetypes. It's that bad.
To the specific point raised by the OP: - 10 years ago, you didn't have access to the entire unfiltered spectrum of anime airing in Japan within days of airing (chances are, you were watching the filtered selection of the "best of the best" chosen by licensors to probably appeal to your tastes). - 10 years ago, there wasn't nearly as many anime as there are now anyway - 10 years ago, you were probably a lot less jaded (even if you always thought that "most anime sucked"). In other words: Quote:
It may very well be that it's time to move on. Or at least to be a lot more picky about what you watch and not just give anything and everything a chance just because you're somehow loyal to "anime" as a medium. Quote:
The only thing that would be interesting about compiling all the similar threads together would be to see how little the argument has changed no matter who is making it in what year. Anyway... thread locked.
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Anime, as I see it.
I'll start by apologizing for making another thread but my last effort was abruptly locked (while I was within the confines of the rules) and I'm not going to just accept a "you're wrong, this is why your wrong, now I'm taking the ball and going home" response I received at the end of the thread. I wasn't given a solid opportunity to defend my argument.
To keep this brief so I'm not writing out my life's story, I'll just respond to the posts from the last thread. They were pretty good responses and should sum up my feelings quite a bit. http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost...97&postcount=2 This is a fair argument that I mostly agree with. You just can't watch everything, deem most of it as crap, and then wonder why anime isn't "as good" as it should be. I get that. You're not going to like EVERYTHING, nor do I personally expect to, I just feel like the negatives that have always been a part of anime have legitimately gotten worse over time. What negatives do I speak of? Here's a few. http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost...07&postcount=3 Well, sure. I have 10+ years of anime to fall back on and I'd like to think I've seen about 80% of the undisputed great series. http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost...13&postcount=5 Yep, and I have been meticulously choosing my series lately, and more and more I'm finding the same issues with each show. The line between good and bad is blurring and below I'll detail why it isn't because I'm "getting older" (such a lazy argument if I do say so myself). http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost...2&postcount=23 Quote:
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Read between the lines, by no means am I saying "anime fucking sucks aye? Why the hell am I still watching it?" According to some, I should at least be saying the second part rather than blaming the industry. An industry that has never been reliable in terms of quality, an industry that's intended for a Japanese audience rather than Americans. My issue was never in selecting a decent series to watch, it's that now I can't FIND a decent series to watch that isn't filled with the same nonsense from the last season, and the season before, or overblown to be something it's not (fans are overhyping the hell out of the sorriest shows lately, but that's another argument entirely). I recently picked up Sakurasou no Pet na Kanojo, a show that is by no means a stand out but somehow it appeals to me. Not because of the fanservice (which I was never a fan of beyond 14, I mean they're cartoons why should I be gawking over it?) it's because the series somehow manages to do what other shows refuse to do: touch of issues all young adults can relate to. That's all it takes, and I don't believe I'm asking for a whole lot in that department. |
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2013-01-10, 13:42 | Link #25 | |
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It's not that I disagree with your point or agree with it in particular. The problem is that your point is too broad and vague, resulting in it falling in the other 643634 thread about the issue. For example, I could say, "well, what about anime like Fate/Zero, Sakamichi no Apollon, and Wandering Son?" Or anime like Mawaru Penguindrum. But that answers nothing. I don't know what aspect in anime beyond the cliche complaint about cliches and fanservice is causing the problem. Thus it is just like shouting into an open field about something and nothing happening. Such large generalizations about the whole of anime are worthless. It's better if you rethought the topic by focusing exclusively on one aspect. Otherwise we get a lot of "yes it is" and no it's not. Look at something like Evangelion, and then compare it to something like its Rebuild Counterpart. What has changed? That is something to talk about. Maybe you could talk about the excessive consumerism that's happening by looking at anime that seems exclusively marketed to sell a trend. Granted, this medium has always been extremely materialistic, but some anime might have dropped all pretense of telling a story.
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2013-01-10, 13:45 | Link #26 |
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Interesting taste. SakuraPet is also my favorite currently running anime. While it has a few aspects I dislike, such as the typical anime misunderstandings and a main character who won't stop compulsively yelling, its conflicts, romance and characters feel very genuine to me.
Well, the most popular anime around these parts are late-night anime, and most late-night anime are marketed to very niche demographics with particular tastes. That's why you'll find many similarities in character archetypes, fanservice, settings, and even plot progression. If you're searching for anime that don't adhere to these elements, maybe you should make a thread in the suggestions subforum, specifying exactly what you're looking for (or not looking for). I'd gladly help you out. |
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When I see people gawk over fanservice and cite that as the main reason they watch...Ikki Tousen for example, I'm genuinely appalled. THAT is why you watch anime? I'm all for diverse opinions but unless you're 13 I think it's a waste of all that is good about the medium. The same goes for uninteresting stories and characters, these are all things i'm screaming into the field about. It's just terrible and fans are praising the shittiest of series season after season. I don't think we know what's good anymore. |
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2013-01-10, 13:56 | Link #29 | |
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But you see, there's some more interesting discussion that could be had. For example, consider that fanservice is an excessive selling feature that they'll half ass it only to market it on bluray. Well, you could bring up highly acclaimed series that have highly uninteresting characters. At least why you think so. My point is to be more specific. And also, is fan reaction that important?
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2013-01-10, 14:10 | Link #30 | |
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I myself am sometimes surprised at how much discussion a short fanservicey scene can spur on, but I'm not surprised that a lot of people like it (and I myself sometimes like it); I'm just surprised that they find much to say about it. But it's not like the Ikki Tousens of the world are the only anime shows out there - In fact, they're probably just a corner of them. As other members have pointed out, there are a wide variety of anime shows out there right now, it's just that some of them are more obscure than others and don't have the benefit of Anime Suki subforums (or the like). But even amongst those with subforums, you might find yourself liking something like Psycho-Pass, for example.
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2013-01-10, 14:10 | Link #31 | |
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Not for anyone outside of Japan. As an America viewer I feel like anime is the most "take it or leave it" medium I've ever indulged in. Aside from a few very bleak instances we have no say. Be that as it may I think the industry deserves a lot more harsh of an analysis than we've been accustomed to giving as fans. All shows I've put on a backlog. It's more of a time issue than anything else. |
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I recommend ~Tamayura Hitotose~. It should be right up your alley, albeit a bit on the drama side. There's some chance you'll like Natsuiro Kiseki.
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2013-01-10, 14:22 | Link #33 |
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I'm still not seeing why you are frustrated. I mean most of the shows that totoum suggested are good or at least don't have the things you dislike. Isn't that good enough? I mean, you can't expect every show to be like that. Is the popularity of shows you don't like that's bothering you?
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2013-01-10, 14:30 | Link #34 | |
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It's probably the fact the last couple of seasons haven't been stellar to me, so I've turned my criticisms to fans who find 5, 6, 7 shows they like while I'm looking at 3, 2, or 1 series that peaks my interest. Also my habit of going for my guilty pleasures, while putting quality shows on a backlist isn't doing me any favors. |
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2013-01-10, 15:43 | Link #37 |
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The original thread was locked because this topic is cyclic and repetitive. Creating yet another new thread to carry on the same discussion doesn't exactly make it better, even if better explanations are provided this time around. This thread will be merged with the previous one and remain locked. Please don't create a third one.
If you would like suggestions about anime that'll match your preferences, please consult the Suggestions Forum. Otherwise, I'm afraid we don't need any more "awkward breakup letters" ("It's not me, it's you"), as they've been called.
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