2012-09-12, 04:28 | Link #30522 |
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I don't see how finding out about her fake tits would solve anything.... Nobody (Battler-George or Jessica, Maria not even mentioned) would be nosy enough to ask, perhaps they'd embarrassedly let the subject slip. But maybe a Yasu that is convinced on letting herself to Fate would confess everything if that was found out.
As for Ougon, the jiggling is no problem at all if you take into account that her damn skirt flips so much all the time, anyone could find out her gender whether they like it or not.
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2012-09-12, 05:10 | Link #30524 |
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Yep, I know. I was just making a point that anime will be anime. I'm sure they didn't even think the jiggling might be a plot hole in the first place.
(Or maybe they did, but as long as they get to put *bounce* *bounce*, who the hell cares???)
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2012-09-12, 06:06 | Link #30526 |
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Ok, so sad thought. At current publishing rate, and assuming they do the whole thing, Yen press won't be done producing Umineko in English until 2016.
Also, as to those theories about why Battler sucked at mysteries when he is meant to have read so many, I wonder if he always would have. I mean, Gameboard Battler might have (after all, who compares real life murders to books) but Ryu said he was surprised no-one called him on using old tricks. It is possible after Ep 2 if the fanbase had performed as requested and actually read old mystery novels, Battler would have started actually trying reasonable solutions to tricks. |
2012-09-12, 06:55 | Link #30527 | |
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2012-09-12, 08:57 | Link #30528 | |
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2012-09-12, 09:23 | Link #30529 | |
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Let's see, we know there would have been a "Virgilius" who would have played more of an Erika role. But I forget what else Ryukishi gave away about it. It would be fun to try to plot out how Land might have progressed, filling in the gaps. After all, Beatrice did claim that it was her greatest work! It would have to be suitably epic. And it should differ from the way the way the rest of the series progressed, at least in some ways, since Ryukishi made serious revisions at that time. |
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2012-09-12, 09:58 | Link #30531 | |
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And also, wow, GoldenLand, this is an awesome idea, it would make a kickass Forgery. I'd really wish to try something like that if my schedule wasn't so messed up.
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2012-09-12, 10:09 | Link #30532 |
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It actually would be cool try and figure Land. Lemme see what I can remember on the fly (Sing and try to remember~)
'Our Confessions' I think, was a written scketch of the gameboard in Land, right? From there, we can think that some of the clues presented in the EPs that replaced Land (3-4 and some loose hint in 5-6? I can't remember...) were going to be in the META layer. There wouldn't be that huge-ass hint about ignoring the unreliable narration (that TV thinghy that Virgilia said) And of course, Beato wasn't going to be as forgiving as she was in her previous/next gameboards so there had to be some strong reasoning made by Battler. Last I can think is that Virgilius was going to be an ass. Not just any ass, more like intelectual-rapist-ass. So a masculine Erika? For some reason I got nauseas... Hum. If really Battler made some plausible theorizing in Land, but was reduced to small bombs to make a suitable detective for the lest trying gameboards that replaced Beato's Master Piece, that thing was the basis for Ryuu to say that 'Battler liked to read mistery novels' revelation, that seems so out of the blue in the published eps. So Smart!Battler (and by proxy badassGM!Battler/GoldenSorcerer!Battler) became so weird because we didn't see him in action how it was supposed to be... And if piece Battler was an accomplice as Cap Bluebeard suggests, Black Battler in Hane also wouldn't have poofed into existence so randomly XD
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2012-09-12, 10:28 | Link #30533 |
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Would we not get the Knox Rules in a Post-Land Chiru?
If Battler really had been a huge mystery fan from the beginning, it seems like they might only come up in passing conversation (Kind of like they already did in...Episode 2, I think), and not major plot points like in End. |
2012-09-12, 10:37 | Link #30535 |
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Land was supposed to have a character similar to Virgilia originally, but would have been male. And had a personality similar to Erika's.
I guess it was to match Virgil (Virgilius) from The Divine Comedy a little more closely to Battler's Dante. |
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So the original idea was like this: Battler as the detective and Battler as the Game Master was a pair of concepts to give us readers the view of both sides of the gameboard. So Question Arcs we are seeing from the POV of the detective trying to discover the truth, and in Answer arcs we are seeing from the POV of the witch trying to hide the truth. It'd help nicely to keep that idea of Beatrice's Game being eternal and almost unsolvable. And, because Umineko is S with it's readers, no matter what side you played you were going to get some good bosses to fight (Beatrice for anti-mistery and Virgilius for Anti-fantasy at the begining; BATTLER for A-M and Knox for A-F in chiru, with its variations.) EDIT: erneiz, two posts before I put mine XD I'm slow writting... It's like Thunder book said, Virgilius was going to be some ruthless male detective solving the ruthless game of the witch. Or something like that.
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2012-09-12, 10:40 | Link #30537 |
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Ryu said in an interview that Virgilia was originally supposed to be a character named Virgilus (yeah, male) that was supposed to have Erika's personality. But he changed it to Virgilia when he gave up on Land and wrote Banquet.
EDIT: Argh, spined. Damn that slow net today.
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2012-09-12, 11:03 | Link #30540 |
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As far as I know, no; it's an outline of a discarded gameboard, but that doesn't mean it's Land. We don't know how Land was supposed to play out, just that it was very difficult and had a particular character in it.
We also know the "tricks" of 4-6 were mixed up and put into those episodes, so one presumes there might have been something akin to the Logic Error in it, something about proving Kinzo's death, and perhaps a post-murders Battler discovery session akin to the Tea Party of Alliance.
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