2009-08-07, 18:31 | Link #2621 |
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A:I love you。
■standard AはBに好suきと言iいました。 A said to B "I love you" ◆passive BはAに好きと言われました。 B was said by A "I love you" like"-と言われています"without A and B,then A is a lot of people,B is nobady. ”男女平等danjobyoudouが当aたり前mae”と言われています。 who told sexual equality is natural. ◆potential AはBに好きと言えます。 A can say to B "I love you" for another meaning,often use "言うことができる"form. ◆honorific A将軍shougunnがBに好きと言われた。(敬語) General A say to B ”I love you” subject is not myself but you.尊敬語sonnkeigo:言われた、おっしゃった subject is myself,謙譲語kennjougo:申mouし上aげます。 Last edited by mendokusa; 2009-08-08 at 20:40. |
2009-08-07, 19:43 | Link #2622 |
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Okay, I think I get the られる now... the thing is I don't see the potential form, the form that 言える is in, anywhere on the conjugation charts (that is, verb form ending in -e [is that called the 已然形?] + ru). Although I do see "連用形+える" listed as "short potential;" that means it's the -i form of the ending + eru, right? Like ありえる.
Furthermore, does that form have an ichidan equivalent, or should I just use ことができる? And one last thing about the られる form, the table says it's the "passive/honorific/potential" form, so it can also be used as a potential form, just like the える form?
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2009-08-07, 21:04 | Link #2623 | |
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(Probably was taught it at some point, but it doesn't command priority for the use of the 'rareru' forms afair) Concerning Keigo, was just taught the basic teinei, kenjou and sonkei forms and worked from there... The moment someone starts using terms such as ichidan and godan, my brain shuts down xD So if i have some time tonight, I'll use mendousa's examples and write another set of examples for 'passive' and 'potential' forms for the thread, but in a weird... simpleton's guide which usually works for my brain rather than getting way too technical As to how can you tell which grammatical meaning it has, it's all in the context as usual with this language. (and the two particles 'ni' and 'ga' will often point out the difference) Will try to roam around here later on and snag my notes/textbooks for ya...
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2009-08-07, 22:37 | Link #2624 |
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potential form like "-eru" change from old japanese to modern japanese
”連用形+得eる” become "仮定形kateikei(old已然形izennkei)+る". but shimo itidan verb is same. ”食べ+る” so use potential auxiliary verb"られる"and "れる". ”食べ+られる” ”られる” have 4 meaning. potential,honorific,passive,voluntary auxiliary verb is difficlut,too. 自動詞jidoushi&他動詞tadoushi 自動詞:object がjidoushi. Aが消kiえる Bが開hiraく 他動詞:subject が object を tadoushi. 私がAを消keす あなたがBを開aける 自動詞 focus A and B. 他動詞 focus who do that. 聞kiこえる、言iえる、見miえる(自動詞) specific thingが- 遠tooくに海umiが見える。 聞かれる、言われる、見られる(他動詞) notional thingが- 日本語nihonngoは難muzukaしいと言iわれる。 Last edited by mendokusa; 2009-08-08 at 20:38. |
2009-08-08, 08:43 | Link #2625 | |
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2009-08-18, 06:38 | Link #2628 | |
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always chairman call member of the Diet "-kun". |
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2009-08-18, 20:17 | Link #2632 |
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Videos to learn Japanese.
A friend inspired me to pursue my childhood dream to learn Japanese.
I left for Tokyo to practice for a few months and came back to Canada where I’m still studying. Don’t get me wrong, I’m still far from being fluent but I’ve been working on those videos to explain my understanding of Japanese. I’m putting this here to get some comments and feedback so that I can improve my videos and share my knowledge about this language with other people. I think it might be too much grounded in theory so I’m thinking of ways of making things more interesting like using more drawings and the like. Hope this is hopeful for you anime/manga fans who would also like to learn Japanese. Introduction to Kanji: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0UUivGDl5os Remembering the Kanji http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJO93UZRj8M Japanese verb groups http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HASMSYMsq7g Hiragana http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zJWDTUnn33Y Kanji II http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tIXuX-AyCbc Katakana http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPkEvkD1TBE Writing in Japanese on your computer http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MlvLgFyZj0E Kanji III http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_EiQKZZ72ag Kanji IV http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZDg7QzDkkpU Conjugating verbs http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m9sibjZOzPA Past tense http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ67Xsf1gAA |
2009-08-19, 16:29 | Link #2635 |
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I've lived in Japan and I've never heard anyone calling a female 'kun'. Ever.
'Kun' is used for usually younger boys. You can call a male younger than you 'kun', basically. Kids in elementary school call each other 'hayato-kun', 'shougo-kun', etc, etc. Boys only, of course. While you can call both males and females 'san', 'kun' is only used for males. 'chan' is usually used for girls but boys are often called that, too.
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2009-08-20, 05:53 | Link #2637 |
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level of respect
"dono"="sama">"kun"="san"="chan">nothing when serious situation such a business,call both male and female same "kun"or "san". then there is no difference between "kun" and "san". like "boku"or "watashi", female call herself "watashi"or"boku",and male call himself "watashi" ,"boku"or"ore". etc |
2009-08-20, 18:14 | Link #2638 | |
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2009-08-21, 10:03 | Link #2639 |
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actually,there is a lot of how to say oneself in japnaese.
It's oneself that decide how to call oneself. the song is often from male's point of view, often use not "ore" but "boku" in female's song , because"boku" hear more on female than "ore". Less than in Anime but actually some female use "boku". |
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