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View Poll Results: Code Geass R2 Series Rating | |||
Perfect 10 | 365 | 44.95% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 199 | 24.51% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 92 | 11.33% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 76 | 9.36% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 31 | 3.82% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 20 | 2.46% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 9 | 1.11% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 4 | 0.49% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 2 | 0.25% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 14 | 1.72% | |
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2009-05-20, 19:48 | Link #1101 | |
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It's really the goals and leadership which matter, and in that regard I find Charles more sympathetic than the Fuhrer and even maybe Mustang. I really have no problem with the kind of people Cornelia, Schniezel, Euphemia, Darlton, Guilford, Jeremiah, Viletta (eh, well I suppose perhaps not the latter two), etc. were either. Furthermore, I quite like Suzaku, so all in all I have to say I did find Britannia sympathetic, the rebels to a degree less so, given the fewer number of notable leaders (Toudou, Ougi, Deithard?) and a lessened impression of their competence what with Lelouch being the focus. In the end I really would say that Code Geass didn't feature good or evil, and had instead essentially universal ignorance and lack of competence (no side ever actually looked good consistently, really), so that people's support for either side, or moreover simultaneous support for both even, is entirely justified. Also, your characterization of Lelouch is rather shallow. :P I remember we used to have a bit of a rapport regarding Lelouch redeeming himself via Zero Requiem, so this is a bit disappointing. |
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2009-05-20, 20:24 | Link #1103 | |||
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2009-05-20, 20:44 | Link #1104 |
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I really want to know how Charles whose death toll is probably about 50 million is more sympathetic than a man who wants to become Fuhrer to protect everyone, end corruption, and bring Amestris to a new golden age.
Unless your talking exclusively about the anime and took the whole Miniskirt thing seriously. |
2009-05-20, 21:32 | Link #1105 |
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I actually view it as one of the smallest or, perhaps a better description, one with relatively little consequence. Any issues with it, outside of complaints about escaping karmic retribution, which for that matter is hardly a constant in real life, could be resolved considering there are a number of shared acquaintances, past and present, involved. It's not that difficult to imagine that, however many months after the end of the series proper, enough information and possibly a couple of introductions were exchanged in order to arrange such a meeting. Not exactly great writing, but not outside of the realm of possibility either.
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2009-05-21, 02:06 | Link #1107 | ||||
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2009-05-21, 04:17 | Link #1108 |
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I kept on writing a bunch of different type of posts, but the same question just kept on coming back to me.
What? I mean that's all I can say What? I mean your answer makes no sense You mention that the millions Charles would have killed are fictional than you spout nonsense about how Charles is a realist when you just said that Realism didn't matter. because if realism did matter than the 50 million people he just killed would matter. Than the crap about the Amestrian Government which was incredibly depraved. You can't have it both ways You can't condemn characters for being idealistic while excusing characters for their actions because "it wasn't real". |
2009-05-21, 14:41 | Link #1109 | |
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The thing is, the amount of people a character kills isn't a factor in them being good or bad imo. I mean, how many people did Light Yagami kill, together with Misa? Obviously theres no concrete number but obviously quite a few. The point is that I and probably 70-80% of Death Note's viewers were cheering him on as he passed judgement on criminals. If they were real, maybe people would think differently. I could be wrong, but thats just my two cents. |
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2009-05-21, 14:46 | Link #1110 |
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I voted very good. I see my opinion isn't most popular here.
I think it deserves 8+ but not 9. Problems with motivation mostly. Very entertaining to watch, but has some flaws. Also I find it hilarious how Lelouch is together smart and stupid, not saying it was bad, rather fun. |
2009-05-21, 22:52 | Link #1111 | ||
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Charles' ideology/actions/motivations are unique, believably developed by his backstory, and actually interesting (his realist perceptions being part of what make them so). That's what matters to me in a work of fiction. Quote:
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2009-05-22, 07:10 | Link #1112 | |
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Wait... are we talking about sympathetic or likeable here?
I think it's the latter, but I only really got that after reading through this for the second time. xD Oh well, now it makes sense. Quote:
And this is the reason why I always blink when Charles is compared to Hitler or Gino is said to be the same as one of his most loyal hench men. It really doesn't get the point across to me because it feels like comparing apples to pizza. Thus, I know what people are trying to tell me, but I also know that they are failing to do so.
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2009-05-25, 20:57 | Link #1113 | |
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2009-05-26, 00:01 | Link #1118 | |
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Bismark did not oppose Schneizel, barely even cared much for the whole coup thing. Gino opposed because he did not agree with Schneizel's desire for a coup... and yet sides with the man a few episodes later. Bismark stated that he dislikes wars and sought peace for humanity, all be it in a backwards and very NERV way. Gino sought justifications to purge people and fight "worthy opponents". When even Kaoshin won't defend this character, you know he's garbage. |
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2009-05-26, 01:04 | Link #1119 |
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lol. I kinda feel like defending him though, just a little.
Gino didn't 'like' racism, he just preferred stability and what was familiar. Just take him as some standard rich kid character, the equivalent of which may be found in many other animes, and the only sin he bears is his context (a world of revolution and colonial oppression. You could hardly condemn all the people of renaissance Europe to hell, though, could you?). Now I'm not really a fan of Gino. I'd agree that he is trash in terms of what the authors actually achieved through him. However, I maintain that it's pointless to hate and condemn fictional characters due to their actions. Hate them for their narrative and emotional core instead, like Makoto from School Days. :P (Gino hardly has any, I'm almost amazed he can stir up this much of a reaction.) |
2009-05-26, 01:09 | Link #1120 | |
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Lelouch has Suzaku, and Jeremiah? Well Kallen matches Suzaku perfectly, and even though Anya and Gino have never accomplished anything of worth (did they even win a battle? They can pick up the slack a little bit. Though I will point out that Gino's comments are so idiotic that their funny. Also Britannia has a hell of a lot more in common with Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan, then renaissance Europe. |
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