2009-10-25, 18:12 | Link #4481 | |
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2009-10-25, 18:19 | Link #4482 |
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Yes. Artificially 'balancing' two sides by treating both as equal at all times is not genuine balance; it's crude imbalance. It's known as the Golden Mean Fallacy.
The fact that Fox's stories split exactly evenly doesn't show that they're honest. It shows that they desperately, desperately want to appear honest; but a genuinely honest news organization will report what is happening, regardless of whether it's lopsided or if it makes one side look bad. |
2009-10-25, 18:26 | Link #4483 |
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Admittedly, while content of individual reports is unknown (for instance, how many times did Fox or CNN or MSNBC mention the so-called "Wright" conspiracy, etc), it is also unclear how comparing a pre-election news cycle to a post-election news cycle is supposed to glean any relevant information (additionally, the study does not what programs were being polled - are we looking at the numbers for the regular news shows, or the editorial based shows?). For example, Fox may have disliked Obama and McCain equally, but once McCain left the field of attention, all that would be left to focus on would be Obama.
In the end, pre-election coverage is almost unimportant to the current "dilemma". |
2009-10-25, 18:26 | Link #4484 | |
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2009-10-25, 18:33 | Link #4485 |
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That's not quite accurate. It is unknown just how negative or positive the stories in question were. Specifically, for all we know there could have been a Fox story detailing how Obama wants to set-up concentration camps for white people (or MSNBC could have had a story where Obama is able to heal the sick just by speaking). So, what happens when the negative (and positive) are too skewed? How could either be considered legitimate journalism? Consequently, despite the labels of 'psoitive' and 'negative', without knowing the content being labeled, we cannot actually make a sufficient judgement of the bias.
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2009-10-25, 18:37 | Link #4486 | |
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Like I said, how dare Chris Wallace fact-checked Anita Dunn?! Because of that the penalty for Wallace is defamation of his employers, an assault on the advertisers and denigration of a network that actually does make an effort at putting up both sides of a political story! and never an entire major network in the United States of America, and never did they call a major network "the enemy", "the opposition", or "a wing of the opposition party!" Last edited by autobachs; 2009-10-25 at 18:50. |
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2009-10-25, 19:02 | Link #4487 | |
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Although it is unknown just how negative or positive the stories in question were, there are known knowns and known unknowns, and possibly some unknown knowns, and one cannot be positive how many known negatives and unknown positives there are, that's for sure. |
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2009-10-25, 22:22 | Link #4488 | |||||
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The situation between China and Taiwan will likely end within 20 years or so, IMHO - barring any major catastrophes. I don't see much of a chance of Taiwan returning quietly as a province, esp. given that it has been on its own for so long (with local Strong Men benefiting), but more likely as a SAR... It'll take a good negotiator or three to save people's face and to protect the entrenched's interests, but it shouldn't be a huge problem for the U.S. if it can control the situation and let it drag on. After thinking about it, having a U.S. base in Taiwan isn't in the U.S.'s interests, esp. if Taiwan does go back to China. Aside from the tech and knowledge transfers, it's too visible a threat to China's sovereignty. For the Okinawan voters, it's not likely to be 100% of the eligible voters making the decisions - just the most vocal ones - but if the U.S. does not agree and the central government in Tokyo does not allow the move, these voters will continue to put people into office till they get what they want. Much better to part on a good note and save your "good will" chit for later. The noise can be handled or controlled, and the number of crimes, while increasing, is not as bad as elsewhere. The problem here might well be the suspects, if they are U.S. servicemen, are under U.S. jurisdiction, and not Japan's. That is not a good situation to maintain a good relationship with a host country. I do wonder if the Okinawans actually have thought about what will happen if the bases do leave, though. In terms of the local economy in Okinawa, if I'm not mistaken, it's now primarily driven by the military bases whereas in the past (before they were built after WWII), it was in agriculture. A lot of people will lose their jobs, and the economy will crash. Will Tokyo help? Honestly, I doubt the central government will or can do much, but let the people reap what they have sown. Quote:
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For Guam, the chances of the U.S. leaving Okinawa at the moment, fairly low, IMHO. It's too far away to actually project a decent amount of force into the region in order to contain countries like China and Russia from exerting too much influence militarily. If it comes down to it, Guam is too easily bypassed once bases in South Korea and Alaska are dealt with. Guam is 2730 km away from Taipei, 2500 km away from Tokyo and 3000 km from South Korea and China. Okinawa, OTOH, is less than 1000 km from China, Taiwan and South Korea.
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2009-10-26, 02:48 | Link #4489 | |
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Anyway, I'll just say that 30 minutes of calling Obama a secret muslim who wasn't born in this country isn't quite the same as 30 minutes of calling McCain a grumpy old man, yet both are "negative" and both were reported. Content is probably even more important than time spent on it. Also if you ever watched MSNBC you'd see that about half of their coverage of anything is saying how Fox News is wrong.
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And, the media being what it is, Sakai's past is now surfacing in the wake of the scandal. It turns out that she is the daughter of a former yakuza boss. In fact, her childhood days are the stuff of gripping drama: Noriko Sakai's yakuza upbringing in spotlight Quote:
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2009-10-26, 10:31 | Link #4491 | |
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I won't crack the "of course her father slept with the best whores" comment with due respect to her status as a pin up girl in the past, but she should know that taking drugs can be detrimental to both her career and her looks.
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2009-10-26, 12:42 | Link #4492 | |
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2009-10-26, 15:05 | Link #4494 | |
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2009-10-27, 09:31 | Link #4495 | |
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The prosecutor is looking to have her serve 18 months for the crime while her husband (soon to be ex, it seems) may get 2 years.
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2009-10-27, 13:18 | Link #4497 | |
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the World Court also need to take a page form the Nuremberg Trials and sentence some of these guys to hang.
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