Myself; Yourself - Episode 8 Discussion / Poll

[Kang Seung Jae]

Originally Posted by serenade_beta

Yes, yes. That's the thing.
Something so horrible happens to Nanaka and no one bothers to tell Sana and his family?!
If they were more active, perhaps the situation wouldn't be so horrible.

When Sana asked Shuusuke why no one told him, Shuusuke replied "Could you have done something about it?" (or something like that).
But if no one tells him, he definitely will not be able to do anything.

Isn't there the possibility that they COULDN'T reach him while he was away?


Also, about Shuu not telling Sana when Sana came back: I think there's two part to this. One, is that it's been so long, the other friends are trying not to aggrevate the situation (wrong decision, but they probaby didn't realize how close Sana and Nanko were). Second, possibiliy there's too much story behind it to fill in a 12 episode anime (thus, get the game),

Originally Posted by serenade_beta

Oh, yes, because next episode seems interesting, here's a sneak peek of next episode, which gives a better preview than the episode preview:

Spoiler for episode 9 preview summary:

Sana, Nanaka, Shuusuke, and Shuri are invited to an amusement park by Aoi. They also invite Hinako making six members. They coincidentally met Asami, who was with the child of one of her relatives, and all of them watch a hero show.

Afterwards, Sana and Nanaka ride the ferris wheel together...

Hah... Asami continues to be treated like this...

Poor(?) Asami.


Now, the ferris wheel...... I hope we get some nice scenes there.

[grey_moon]

Originally Posted by Kang Seung Jae

Isn't there the possibility that they COULDN'T reach him while he was away?

The only acceptable reason in my mind is if Sana is dead and that obviously isn't the case. Nanaka wanted Sana to be there to help her, we know that now, so I can't see Nanaka being the person going don't tell Sana.

Age has nothing to do with it, coz that is what parents, teachers and other people are there for.

Notice how she walked to school alone after the police suspected her. Shouldn't good friends have bundled around her to let her know they are there for her? Nothing better to add fuel to the rumour machine if she is on her own.

Sana is getting the sharp end of bad decisions from his friends and you know what is worse, they still scape goat him for it. I am just happy Sana had enough of being treated like a bag of dog doo and stood up for himself. If he carried on just sucking it up I could see both him and Nanaka breaking down. Instead he (thanks to plot device Asami) was able to lance this poisonous boil. And I fully blame her friends who were there for not being more supportive in the right way.

[Kang Seung Jae]

Originally Posted by grey_moon

Age has nothing to do with it, coz that is what parents, teachers and other people are there for.

Notice how she walked to school alone after the police suspected her. Shouldn't good friends have bundled around her to let her know they are there for her? Nothing better to add fuel to the rumour machine if she is on her own.

Sana is getting the sharp end of bad decisions from his friends and you know what is worse, they still scape goat him for it. I am just happy Sana had enough of being treated like a bag of dog doo and stood up for himself. If he carried on just sucking it up I could see both him and Nanaka breaking down. Instead he (thanks to plot device Asami) was able to lance this poisonous boil. And I fully blame her friends who were there for not being more supportive in the right way.

About her walking alone: it could have been several weeks/months after the fire and the police (we have to remember she broke her legs), so don't jump to conclusion about "no help from friends."


Also, I believe saying that the friends are scapegoating Sana is going too far. We have to remember that Nanako DIDN'T open up (possibly even when friends tried to help), and it seems she entirely relied on Sana, WHO WASN’T THERE FOR HER. Of course, you might ask “why didn’t they contact him,” but it’s probably due to the fact that they probably didn’t know how to reach him, and they didn’t know how much he mattered to Nanako. The friends didn’t make the right decision, but given the circumstances, I can’t blame them.

[grey_moon]

Originally Posted by Kang Seung Jae

About her walking alone: it could have been several weeks/months after the fire and the police (we have to remember she broke her legs), so don't jump to conclusion about "no help from friends."


Also, I believe saying that the friends are scapegoating Sana is going too far. We have to remember that Nanako DIDN'T open up (possibly even when friends tried to help), and it seems she entirely relied on Sana, WHO WASN’T THERE FOR HER. Of course, you might ask “why didn’t they contact him,” but it’s probably due to the fact that they probably didn’t know how to reach him, and they didn’t know how much he mattered to Nanako. The friends didn’t make the right decision, but given the circumstances, I can’t blame them.

The letter box should answer that point about her friends being there for her. If they were there for her why did she need to reach out to Sana in that method.

As I said earlier if you notice how they treat her when she was angry at Sana they left her to it. I have yet to see anything on their part that suggests they would act differently. Mine is an assumption based on actions they have displayed.

They could have helped her easily in many ways but the one that dominantly comes to mind is why didn't they contact Sana?

They are scape goating him. Each time Nanaka blows her top at Sana they let him take the blame. That must suck for Sana and for Nanaka. You see they have this thing called knowledge of the situation, Sana doesn't. Nanaka has something called trauma, they don't. By letting Sana get Nanaka angry that doesn't help anyone. By letting Sana stew in guilt that doesn't help anyone too. The only people it helps is themselves by letting them avoid getting involved.

[Saleh]

Haven't seen latest episodes yet -

Originally Posted by grey_moon

The letter box should answer that point about her friends being there for her. If they were there for her why did she need to reach out to Sana in that method.

At time like these you only seek those closest to your heart. Fact is they weren't closest peoples to her. Only closest person remaining alive was Sana and if I had to blame anyone it would be her uncle.

[Kang Seung Jae]

Originally Posted by Saleh

Haven't seen latest episodes yet -



At time like these you only seek those closest to your heart. Fact is they weren't closest peoples to her. Only closest person remaining alive was Sana

This is same as my thought.

Also, humans are complex. Sometimes only one or two person can reach a person who has been in the typr of trauma Nanako has been in.

[Saleh]

Originally Posted by Kang Seung Jae

This is same as my thought.

Also, humans are complex. Sometimes only one or two person can reach a person who has been in the type of trauma Nanako has been in.

I agree. I was also considering the possibility that Syuri (not shuu) was trying to use Sana to treat Nanaka's wounds without actually letting them experience pain again. Flaw in her thinking was that she was only taking ideal scenario in mind and not the uncertain elements. But then after Nanaka's worst case scenario is over her personality would be much stronger than her treatment in a controlled scenario.

[grey_moon]

Only if you ignore how there is a whole box full of what looks like really distraught letters.

People are too forgiving of the friends when there has been no evidence that they helped in anyway. Actually in my mind they haven't helped at all and did worse from their actions on Sana's return.

And Shuu's little speech confirms my beliefs

[Chaos2Frozen]

OH. MY. LORD.

I before I started getting the Torrent this morning, I've decided to pop my head around here, and two other blogs for a quick peak on this episode... The general reviews were good and very clearly emotional, but I didn't know how GOOD or EMOTIONAL it was until I've actually watched it !

Brilliant, just simply brilliant... It's been awhile since I've felt this way with a completely new series I've always thought that Clannad would be the one to get that reaction out of me first for this season This show surprises me again when I least expect it Because for the first time, I could really feel Nanaka's pain, which is different for me cause I have always 'understood' it, but very rarely do I feel it the way the characters do.

And the music... It just has to be the best tune to get emo with

And Kudos to both Sana and Nanaka's VA!

P.S - I don't know what to make of the next week's preview

[SuperKnuckles]

Haha, yeah. ef and Myself are shorter shows, so they get the meat WAY before Clannad.

[Chaos2Frozen]

Originally Posted by SuperKnuckles

Haha, yeah. ef and Myself are shorter shows, so they get the meat WAY before Clannad.

I know I know I guess I misjudge them all

[cshard]

Maa... although this show was on my "list of nice but unimportant shows", after this episode, it looks like I should elevate it higher. XD

Oh yes, after this thread seems to have hammered in the point that it's Koshimizu Ami voicing Nanaka... Somehow my brain is having a logic disconnect due to the fact that she also voiced Tsukamoto Tenma, Kannazuki Megumi as well as Sakura Sae. Hearing that normally ditzy voice play Nanaka is quite interesting to say the least.

Spoiler for Hidden for length:

Shuri's little dance made my jaw drop for a while. Nandeyanen? I thought the scene felt a bit forced.

Nanaka can be pretty petty sometimes eh? Although understandable, I don't recall Sana and Nanaka ever "going out" officially, so I did find it a bit presumptious of her to act like his girlfriend. XD Ah well, I suppose given her feelings for him it was kinda unavoidable. Kudos to the writer for depicting the heart of a jealous girl accurately.

Sana makes the age old mistake of comparing a treasured memory of Nanaka's to a simple accident. Aaaa~~~ samui desu~~~~

Aoi has great timing as usual.

About Shuu's reasoning regarding not telling Sana, it's a bit of a delicate area to tread. On one hand, he might think it's not his place to tell Sana, and that it's Nanaka prerogative to decide if she wants Sana to know. It is after all, a private matter of Nanaka's. On the other, methinks he should have at least made some hints to Sana rather than keep him entirely in the dark. I wonder when Sana lost touch with the whole gang while he was overseas though.

One thing stood out for me in this part of the show. Is the fact that the word for arson is pronounced "kaji" and the fact that we have a creepy obaasan named "Kaji-san" supposed to be a hint at something?

Yuzuki sensei's backstory seems to be tacked on so that she can have a route in the PS2 game. I swear I saw a flag being hoisted the minute she recognised Sana as the boy she gave the first caramel to.

I found a few minor issues with how Nanaka was animated during the penultimate scene, but nothing too serious (Mostly the parts when she's shaking her head wildly before trying to run away, as well as when she tries to shake Sana's hand off)

Animation issues aside... music perfect, location perfect, reaction perfect. XD Although it seems that Sana can't bring himself to admit what happened to him yet (wonder what reaction Nanaka will have to that revelation), he's at least taking a step forward to help Nanaka get rid of all her pent up emotions. And it's nice to see Nanaka finally crying in Sana's arms lthe way she really wanted to.

They aren't a couple yet, but this is one step closer. XD

A curious question occured to me when Nanaka was yelling at Sana about how he couldn't even remember how she looked. Why did the rest of the gang not say hello to Nanaka before Sana could put his foot in his mouth?

Nanaka and Sana get some alone time next episode? Sounds good. XD Where was it shown that they'll be having a ferris wheel ride again? On the official website?

[UPR]

Originally Posted by cshard

Nanaka and Sana get some alone time next episode? Sounds good. XD Where was it shown that they'll be having a ferris wheel ride again? On the official website?

Yeah, it has a short summary of the next ep along with other pictures for the next episode that were not shown in the preview.

Im curious if it says Sana and Nanaka get some alone time, why is it that in the preview she looked like she was sick?

Also looks like Shuri breaks down on the ferris wheel and talks with Shuu.

Anyway here is the link for the official website:
http://www.anime-myyour.com/onair/index.html

[Cheezy]

It's really starting to get interesting and better now. Therefor I gave it a 10.

Interesting about the fire. The last scene was done very well and the voice acting was done a lot better.

[Deathkillz]

Originally Posted by grey_moon

Only if you ignore how there is a whole box full of what looks like really distraught letters.

People are too forgiving of the friends when there has been no evidence that they helped in anyway. Actually in my mind they haven't helped at all and did worse from their actions on Sana's return.

And Shuu's little speech confirms my beliefs

though they really cant do anything to help...nanaka has changed so much since that time, she has pretty much isolated herself, i think what they thought was that time could heal wounds (and since it was a few years back you cant blame them for thinking that way). and before you know it, they are hardly even talking until the arrival of sana.

[KholdStare]

Originally Posted by Mgz

amazing eps 10/10

the last half was very well done scene, with the background music, the timing, the background art, the voice acting, lot of character developing and background, pure emotion~

the red help me help me help me parts send a shiver down my spine...ghost hunt flashback

I was watching this episode at 1 AM in the morning with the lights turned off the and red help letter just scared the shit out of me. Nevertheless, it was an excellent episode, although I'm still iffy on if it's the best of this season. I didn't watch ef 7 yet, and so far I'd say that Clannad 7 gets number one spot and this gets number two.

10/10

[Vestus]

Great episode, I can't even wait for the next one to what happens next:

Spoiler for SPOILER:

The mail "HELP ME!!!!" part was a real shocker for me. I knew it was gonna be filled up with letters the instant I saw that he was gonna open it. And finnaly Nanaka opens up to Sana. Asami doesn't even seem to play much of a role if you can call "making Nanaka jealous" a role.

We really don't seem to see much of the other characters. Aoi-chan thinking Sana was a being a "Master Debater" (if you know what I mean) was a some comic relief.

And the scene with Yuzuki-sensei was pretty cute too. Do you think Sana has a chance of getting with her? *wink* *wink* Lol jkjk

Also, I bet that crazy lady burned Nanaka's house and killing her parents.

Anyway 10/10

Originally Posted by KholdStare

I was watching this episode at 1 AM in the morning with the lights turned off the and red help letter just scared the shit out of me. Nevertheless, it was an excellent episode, although I'm still iffy on if it's the best of this season. I didn't watch ef 7 yet, and so far I'd say that Clannad 7 gets number one spot and this gets number two.

10/10

Yeah I was watching at 4:00 im the morning and it scared the hell out me also lol. I feel yah man.

[2H-Dragon]

It was a good episode. Shuu was kind of a let down. "What could you have done?". "A hell of a lot more then you!!" I wanted Shana to reply like that. Though Shana did well in this ep. He showed some balls which I thought he lacked. Anyhow seems like a great couple. They both carry some heavy luggage.

I highly doubt Shana is emo though. I am also betting on that that watch is a gift from a friend who died.

And the plot thickens du-du-da-duuummmm.

[UPR]

Originally Posted by 2H-Dragon

It was a good episode. Shuu was kind of a let down. "What could you have done?". "A hell of a lot more then you!!" I wanted Shana to reply like that. Though Shana did well in this ep. He showed some balls which I thought he lacked. Anyhow seems like a great couple. They both carry some heavy luggage.

I highly doubt Shana is emo though. I am also betting on that that watch is a gift from a friend who died.

And the plot thickens du-du-da-duuummmm.

umm I don't know if your doing it on purpose but it's Sana not Shana

Since you did it 3 times one has to wonder.

[2H-Dragon]

Originally Posted by UPR

umm I don't know if your doing it on purpose but it's Sana not Shana

Since you did it 3 times one has to wonder.

Ah yeah. Didn't realize it. I have said it the good way in the past though. Blame that loli with burning red hair.