World War Z (2013)

[Renegade334]

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They did; if I remember well, the WHO even selected a meningitis strain to act as the camouflage pathogen.

But my point is that in order to successfully fool the zombies, the said pathogen needs to weaken the said infected soldiers noticeably. So...depending on the type of pathogen the virologists/bacteriologists picked, the said men and women could suffer from strong headaches, dehydration, disorientation, messed-up respiratory systems, even deficient immune systems leaving them vulnerable to other diseases. Unless the perceptible symptoms are restricted to, say, anemia or dehydration, the soldiers might not be fully combat effective...unless you just equip them with chainsaws and tell them to "not think, just kill everything that moves and is not holding a chainsaw like yours".

The option of using survivors with terminal illnesses might not be statistically viable, though: you might not get an appreciable number of recruits to do the dirty job, though motivation should not necessarily be much of an issue (and, yes, I concede you could argue that this different kind of "dead men walking" could still deal an inordinate amount of damage on the zombie hordes simply because the other side would not bother fighting back).

[james0246]

Originally Posted by Renegade334

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Spoiler:

They did; if I remember well, the WHO even selected a meningitis strain to act as the camouflage pathogen.

But my point is that in order to successfully fool the zombies, the said pathogen needs to weaken the said infected soldiers noticeably. So...depending on the type of pathogen the virologists/bacteriologists picked, the said men and women could suffer from strong headaches, dehydration, disorientation, messed-up respiratory systems, even deficient immune systems leaving them vulnerable to other diseases. Unless the perceptible symptoms are restricted to, say, anemia or dehydration, the soldiers might not be fully combat effective...unless you just equip them with chainsaws and tell them to "not think, just kill everything that moves and is not holding a chainsaw like yours".

The option of using survivors with terminal illnesses might not be statistically viable, though: you might not get an appreciable number of recruits to do the dirty job, though motivation should not necessarily be much of an issue (and, yes, I concede you could argue that this different kind of "dead men walking" could still deal an inordinate amount of damage on the zombie hordes simply because the other side would not bother fighting back).

Spoiler for some ending spoilers...:

To be fair, this camouflage is a means to an end not a "cure" or a true solution. It gave them a fighting chance, but it does not win the war nor even really that many battles (the zombie pathogen seems fairly 'intelligent', so I doubt the current counter-measures will last for too long - specifically, the pathogen had reduced it's transmission time down from 10 minutes to 12 seconds in a matter of days, such a vast rate of mutation indicates the possibility that it could eventually 'learn' how to target camouflaged humans).

So, soldier capabilities would be effectively limited across the board, and large scale assaults and long-term missions would probably not be accomplish-able.

As for the terminal soldiers, there should actually be quite a few living inside the many cities of the world already. During the initial rush to leave the cities, I expect many seriously ill individuals would have been left behind. If they didn't outright commit suicide, I expect many of them would had noticed by now that the zombies do not actively search them out. So, there could already be a strong resistance force on the ground throughout the world. Unlikely, but interesting if possible.

[DragoonKain3]

The movie is worth it for me just to see the hispanic kid comforting the younger sister to sleep in the closet. All I could think of all movie long is "Damn, there's an osananajimi couple in the making if I ever saw one".

As for the movie itself, I remember that one scene where zombies atttack and Brad Pitt just sighed a "zombies AGAIN?" look (of which I mirrored IRL because I thought that they kinda got in the way of the experience). Because really, I like how they did the mystery aspect of the movie, but the action portions were kinda repetitive.

[MrTerrorist]

Originally Posted by james0246

Spoiler for some ending spoilers...:

To be fair, this camouflage is a means to an end not a "cure" or a true solution. It gave them a fighting chance, but it does not win the war nor even really that many battles (the zombie pathogen seems fairly 'intelligent', so I doubt the current counter-measures will last for too long - specifically, the pathogen had reduced it's transmission time down from 10 minutes to 12 seconds in a matter of days, such a vast rate of mutation indicates the possibility that it could eventually 'learn' how to target camouflaged humans).

So, soldier capabilities would be effectively limited across the board, and large scale assaults and long-term missions would probably not be accomplish-able.

As for the terminal soldiers, there should actually be quite a few living inside the many cities of the world already. During the initial rush to leave the cities, I expect many seriously ill individuals would have been left behind. If they didn't outright commit suicide, I expect many of them would had noticed by now that the zombies do not actively search them out. So, there could already be a strong resistance force on the ground throughout the world. Unlikely, but interesting if possible.

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Wait, i thought the zombies avoided terminally ill humans because not only they can't spread the virus but also the zombies are also susceptible to the human's illness as well.

[LoweGear]

Originally Posted by MrTerrorist

Spoiler for :

Wait, i thought the zombies avoided terminally ill humans because not only they can't spread the virus but also the zombies are also susceptible to the human's illness as well.

Spoiler for Z!:

The zombies are not susceptible to human illness. The researchers in Cardiff did initially think that they were being asked to infect the zombies, to which they replied that it was the first thing they thought of, only to find out that the undead don't catch diseases.

The stated theory is that the virus host (aka zombie) seeks out healthy specimens to infect, and leaves out unhealthy and/or dying people because they're not ideal for the spread of the virus.

[Renegade334]

@MrTerrorist: what james0246 intended to say was that

Spoiler:

the camouflage pathogen chosen at the end of the movie is not a definitive solution to the crisis - if anything, it only gives humanity a temporary reprieve. There is a possibility that this measure will only be effective for a short amount of time, before the virus evolves again and causes the infected to become smarter...and disregard the symptoms of terminal illness exhibited by the fleeing refugees and incoming troops.

There is therefore a chance that in the sequel (since it's supposed to be a trilogy) the camouflage pathogen will have become useless and a new globe-trotting race for a cure/countermeasure is required. According to this Yahoo! article, the original ending for the movie involved a battle in downtown Moscow, fought by thousands of civilians forcefully conscripted by the Russian army and armed with lobotomizers (the end of the theatrical version shows glimpses of this scrapped scene)...so maybe we'll get to see that in WWZ2.

[NoemiChan]

I loved the movie......COOL

Spoiler for Crazy roar:

Give me meningitis so I can kill damn zombies.

[SoldierOfDarkness]

Originally Posted by Renegade334

@MrTerrorist: what james0246 intended to say was that

Spoiler:

the camouflage pathogen chosen at the end of the movie is not a definitive solution to the crisis - if anything, it only gives humanity a temporary reprieve. There is a possibility that this measure will only be effective for a short amount of time, before the virus evolves again and causes the infected to become smarter...and disregard the symptoms of terminal illness exhibited by the fleeing refugees and incoming troops.

There is therefore a chance that in the sequel (since it's supposed to be a trilogy) the camouflage pathogen will have become useless and a new globe-trotting race for a cure/countermeasure is required. According to this Yahoo! article, the original ending for the movie involved a battle in downtown Moscow, fought by thousands of civilians forcefully conscripted by the Russian army and armed with lobotomizers (the end of the theatrical version shows glimpses of this scrapped scene)...so maybe we'll get to see that in WWZ2.

Do we need spoiler tags? The movie's been out for a week or so now.

Spoiler:

In the book humanity regroups and then starts fighting to take back their land. So clearly as Gerry states the "camo" virus gives humanity a chance to take five, regroup, and then go on the offensive against the Zombies.
The sequel will probably be like the 2nd half of the book where humanity retakes their land and Gerry continues searching for the virus' origins.

In regards to the illness I think it's not that specific.

1. An alcoholic homeless man in New Jersey is completely ignored by the Zombies when Gerry gets to the apartment.
2. 1 US soldier survives the mauling with Patient Zero -> He had a gimpy leg from what I read
3. A malnourished child takes out a zombie but is ignored by the rest
4. A blind Israeli is ignored by the rampaging zombies

Then you got people with diabetes, aids, etc. hell there're tons of people living out their with various illnesses.
So if you're not 100% healthy then the Zombies will sense it when they get close to you and ignore you. Gerry's daughter's asthma might make her invisible as well so it's not just illness.

On that matter I found Gerry's family...well...unnecessary in the movie. I don't know about you guys but I felt that the movie could've moved forward easily without having his family around at all.

[Seitsuki]

Spoiler for Mild plot:

Not to mention that stupid stupid phonecall. It's half Gerry's fault for not at least turning the thing to vibrate or some shit on a mission where stealth was essential but he didn't even call her out on it. 'Oh yeah, my escort and a bunch of other people DIED because of you'. No? At least tell her not to do it again maybe. No? Ok then.

Thing shoulda gone off during the drug hunt too, just because fuck that level of stupidity.

[james0246]

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Originally Posted by SoldierOfDarkness

1. An alcoholic homeless man in New Jersey is completely ignored by the Zombies when Gerry gets to the apartment.

Probably Liver cancer.

Originally Posted by SoldierOfDarkness

2. 1 US soldier survives the mauling with Patient Zero -> He had a gimpy leg from what I read

Probably Diabetes, though it could also be a heart condition or any number of ailments that causes pain in your limbs.

Originally Posted by SoldierOfDarkness

3. A malnourished child takes out a zombie but is ignored by the rest

Kid probably had cancer or any number of diseases or other ailments that cause the body to slowly degrade.

Originally Posted by SoldierOfDarkness

4. A blind Israeli is ignored by the rampaging zombies

Man was super old, but it could have also just been the blindness as you've mentioned (which actually could be caused by any number of ailments).

Originally Posted by SoldierOfDarkness

Gerry's daughter's asthma might make her invisible as well so it's not just illness.

That's actually quite possible, especially considering how debilitating her asthma is.

Originally Posted by SoldierOfDarkness

On that matter I found Gerry's family...well...unnecessary in the movie. I don't know about you guys but I felt that the movie could've moved forward easily without having his family around at all.

I liked that he was a family man (it added to the tension and suspense of the first 30 minutes), I just felt the family wasn't used properly after that first 30 minutes.

[Kyero Fox]

It could have done without the wife calling in the middle of sneaking, that was so damn cliche.

[Roger Rambo]

Originally Posted by Seitsuki

Spoiler for Mild plot:

Not to mention that stupid stupid phonecall. It's half Gerry's fault for not at least turning the thing to vibrate or some shit on a mission where stealth was essential but he didn't even call her out on it. 'Oh yeah, my escort and a bunch of other people DIED because of you'. No? At least tell her not to do it again maybe. No? Ok then.

Thing shoulda gone off during the drug hunt too, just because fuck that level of stupidity.

But what about my emotional pornography?

[SoldierOfDarkness]

Originally Posted by Roger Rambo

But what about my emotional pornography?

To heck with you and your emotional pornography. Go watch Twilight to get your fill of emotional pornography. Let Edward fill you up from the inside out.

*Sarcasm*

I liked that he was a family man (it added to the tension and suspense of the first 30 minutes), I just felt the family wasn't used properly after that first 30 minutes.

Yeah they could've gotten rid of the family, say he got separated and he thought they dead or something, then finds out at the end of the movie they're alive. Would've saved a lot on the budget.

[Roger Rambo]

Originally Posted by SoldierOfDarkness

To heck with you and your emotional pornography. Go watch Twilight to get your fill of emotional pornography. Let Edward fill you up from the inside out.

*Sarcasm*

I don't need Twilight. I have Steven Spielberg for my emotional masterbation needs.

[MrTerrorist]

YouTube

https://youtu.be/Ow2Uh51IMh4

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Poor Brad Pitt. Leaving the Zombie killings to the pros.

[Kyero Fox]

Wwwhy was the gun leg..chick there? I don't remember zombies in her movie.

[Roger Rambo]

Originally Posted by Kyero Fox

Wwwhy was the gun leg..chick there? I don't remember zombies in her movie.

uuhhhh, yeah there were.

YouTube

https://youtu.be/DCFQtc6BzyM

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[Kyero Fox]

Oh! I didn't remember because that movie was terrible. So why is she in the video?

[Roger Rambo]

Originally Posted by Kyero Fox

Oh! I didn't remember because that movie was terrible. So why is she in the video?

Uhhh, well they were gathering up a bunch of *badass* zombie fighters from various movies, so I think it should be pretty obvious.

[Kyero Fox]

And the police dude from the remake of Dawn of the Dead isn't there why?