To Aru Majutsu no Index Light Novel Discussion (Archives)

[Chaos2Frozen]

Originally Posted by tsunade666

OHHH MY G********! THAT'S SO ROMANTIC! I didn't think even for once he has a romantic side. ( the one I'm reading is semi translated and hard to understand most part ) its good to read when its translated right.

In reference to Touma or Accelerator ?

Originally Posted by tsunade666

And I didn't think touma would get angry for someone stealing his prey.

Lol, because Index was scolding him for 'saying something so cool to Kuroko, but in the end didn't do anything'

Originally Posted by stillmissing

Spoiler for teleportation details:

Just filling in your numbers - Kuroko's maximum range is 81.5m and her mass limit is 130.7kg. Awaki's maximum range is 800m and her mass limit is 4520kg.

Ah yes, that's about right, thanks

Originally Posted by Wilfriback

Accelerator's morality pet made a good job, eh! also Accelerator admited the fact he isn't the strongest like before.

Well she acidentally let out that she remembered everything Accelerator said about 'not letting the remaining sisters die' and was deeply touched by it.

Accelerator was beyond embarrassed.

Originally Posted by shmaster

In regard to this line.

>>Touma: "I made a promise to a certain nameless hotblooded guy, that I would always be there to protect Misaka and the (people) world around her... I know this is abit late, but did I keep that promise?"

1. Etzali should be in tears, and it is pretty lol that Touma think Etzali is hotblooded.
2. You can't imagien how similiar that line is to the the line that Accelertor have kept on telling himself. Just replace Misaka with LO.

1. His exact descrpition was longer, but what it boils down to is 'hotbloodied'

2. I really wanted to post Accelerator's quote in the quote thread, but I guess it's not time for it yet...

Originally Posted by tsunade666

And awaki and kuroko are really different in specs. Too bad for awaki she has huge potential. Btw why do awaki even pick a fight with kuroko to begin with? is it another order from the higher ups?

Spoiler for Vol 8 Plot:

The main story begins when Uiharu called in Kuroko about a snatch thief with some unusual circumstances. When Kuroko caught up to them, she got into a fight with Awaki, and was utterly defeated. It's from here that Awaki revealed what was stolen- A travel case built to withstand space travel, inside is the remaining piece of the [Tree Diagram] Orihime satelite. When Mikoto heard about this, she feared that if Tree Diagram could be rebuild, that [Experiment] might restart again.

So Awaki was just doing her job, and Kuroko wanted to protect Misaka. Kuroko doesn't know the details about the Experiment, just that whatever Awaki is doing, she's threatening Misaka... And knowing her personality, Mikoto would never asked for help.

[tsunade666]

Thanks for the info

I was talking about accelerator specially if he said it because its usually monologue when he talking about it.

I love to see the second season already. I'm getting tire of railgun.

So Last order still remember it after the event. I though she also forgets it like touma.

Wait accelerator beat up awaki right? but isn't he supposed to be in hospital. Isn't he just being discharge in vol 12? then in vol 08 he can already move out and already has the electrode choker.

[Chaos2Frozen]

Originally Posted by tsunade666

Thanks for the info

I was talking about accelerator specially if he said it because its usually monologue when he talking about it.

Well, he said it out loud, but the only one to hear it is a KO-ed Awaki

That tsundere...

Originally Posted by tsunade666

I love to see the second season already. I'm getting tire of railgun.

I hope they get Railgun's director to do it though...

Originally Posted by tsunade666

So Last order still remember it after the event. I though she also forgets it like touma.

Remember the Misaka Network? Well apparently everything he said, they've heard all of it

Originally Posted by tsunade666

Wait accelerator beat up awaki right? but isn't he supposed to be in hospital. Isn't he just being discharge in vol 12? then in vol 08 he can already move out and already has the electrode choker.

Accelerator sneaked out, but yeah he had the choker already.

[tsunade666]

what if the whole network heard it then they gut a big psychopath and a lousy harem king to back them up. The network sure have their safe assured.

who's the tsundere? awaki? she? tsundere? with who? don't tell me its that guy again... please

railgun and index has different director? then that explains the short conversation. Touma's chat box is good but not all the time. Its tiresome sometimes or rather if its often then its surely tiresome with all the same again and again words.

[Miraluka]

Originally Posted by Chaos2Frozen

Well, he said it out loud, but the only one to hear it is a KO-ed Awaki

That tsundere...

Accelerator... tsundere boy??

Originally Posted by tsunade666

what if the whole network heard it then they gut a big psychopath and a lousy harem king to back them up. The network sure have their safe assured.

who's the tsundere? awaki? she? tsundere? with who? don't tell me its that guy again... please

Touma?? I don't so XD. Did she interacted with him?? Mayb Chaos2Frozen is refering to Accelerator.

Originally Posted by tsunade666

railgun and index has different director? then that explains the short conversation. Touma's chat box is good but not all the time. Its tiresome sometimes or rather if its often then its surely tiresome with all the same again and again words.

Railgun is a manga with less far dialogues. Index is light novel with a lot of description of their universe.

[tsunade666]

I know about the description and its fine to leave them but tone down touma's mugen blabbering. It will help a tons on his popularity if they just leave it to the fist to do the talking and trashing. And its more fund that way

And what accelerator being tsundere? with who? his talking with awaki their. And his talking his monologue then saying it to half dead enemy what's with that psycho.

Touma doing his speech while his fighting his enemy then theirs accelerator acting all dere dere in front of a half dead enemy.

[Chaos2Frozen]

Originally Posted by Wilfriback

Railgun is a manga with less far dialogues. Index is light novel with a lot of description of their universe.

True, but it is entirely possible to cut down on the dailogue. In the seventh Novel, there was this one entire chapter where Catholic nuns and Necessarius were discussing their battle plan to catch the Amakusa.

So for me, if they can get the Railgun director to do what he has been doing for Index 2nd, then there should be less of a problem.

Alternatively, they could also bring the Author into the project to help trim the edges...

EDIT:

yay, I got my book back! Earlier on I mentioned both Touma and Accelerator getting good quotes for this novel? Well here's the detailed version.

"When [Onee-sama] and [that guy] meet, Kuroko's story will begin!?"

Spoiler for Touma after saving Kuroko:

Touma: "Sorry I'm late, this time I'm really clueless about what's going on, like a headless fly wandering around, fortunately I ran into Mikoto on the way.... Woah wait wait!! Aren't you alittle too beaten up?!"

Touma run to her side.

Kuroko: "Why did you... Risk your life for me? We don't have any relation, even if you're that good, even if you wield some incredible power, you shouldn't have to sell your life for me. Why did you willingly without hesistation charge forward?"

Touma:"Even if You asked me why, I'm not sure how to answer. If I have to say, that facing a problem head on is better than running away. To be honest, if running away could also save you, I would have already done it."

Kuroko:"It's not... That simple a question... Aren't you even... Abit scared?"

Touma:"Ah this, of course I'm scared, but this is to keep a promise."

Kuroko:"Promise?"

Touma checked to make sure no one else is around, before lowering his voice.

Touma:"... Yup, a promise. This is a promise to protect Misaka Mikoto and the world around her. This is a promise between me and a certain hotbloodied nameless charcter. This might a bit late,, but I still want to ask you this, this time, did i keep my promise to that guy?""

Kuroko:"...Yes, you kept it. You kept half of it."

Touma:"Is that so? In that case then let me finish that other half."

Spoiler for Accelerator fightning Awaki:

Awaki: "HAHA! I've figured it out! You have already lost your computation capability and hence lost your powers! You've lost it completely! The you now, is no longer the strongest esper!!"

Accelerator smiled.

Accelerator:"Pitiful. If that's what you really think, then it's too pitiful, I almost want to hug you."

Awaki:"HAHA! Don't try to act! I'm allways around [that person]! I know about everything that happens in Academy City! You've lost your powers on August 31st, you're no longer [Accelerator]! I'm not wrong! Otherwise, why are you just standing there?!"

Accelerator said nothing, but kept smiling. Awaki started to feel nervous again.

Awaki:"...Why are you not saying anything?!"It's making me uncomfortable!!!"

Accelerator:"You're really pitiful. Listen, I'm going to tell you one thing. That night, my brain was severely damaged, you can tell by just looking at me, now I have to use a electronic chip and let others do the calculations. If I enter a place without signal, i can't have people calculate for me. The computation capability isn't even half of my original. and this toy has enough battery for only 15 minutes...."

Acccelerator stopped.

Accelerator:"...Ah, but just because I've become weaker, that doesn't mean you've become stronger, right?"

He proceeds to smashing all the windows.

Accelerator:"I'm sorry, from here on now, the path is only a [One Way Street]! You can't advance, just hide your tail and cry your way home!"

(Playing a pun on Accelerator's japanese name)

After defeating Awaki, Accelerator whisper to himself.

Accelerator:"In this pathetic state, I probably have no right to become Academy City's Strongest ever again... But I have already made up my mind. IN the eyes of that brat I will always be the strongest, scumbag!"

Spoiler for Touma and Index in the Hospital:

Index: "... Very unlucky. The already unlucky Kamijou-san, has started the [Unlucky Trend]! Even if met by nine streaks of horrible luck, I'll no longer be suprised anymore damnit! What [Tree Diagram] and [Remnant] is, I'm not too sure, all I know is when Touma said that [Then let me finish that other half] speech, he was so beyond cool! But afterwards didn't do anything at all!"

Touma:"Oi, I followed the directions Shirai gave me, only to see some place with all the windows blown out, pieces of the travel case lying on the floor along with whatever was inside destroyed, on the roof top was some beat-up girl... Probably some mysterious individual just decided to come out to help."

Index:"Touma, Touma, I don't get to say this to you often... USELESS!"

Touma: "GAH! I knew I was going to earn that title! Damnit! Just who is the guy who stole all my hardwork, and just silently walked away! Who does he think he is acting all cool!?!"

Index:"That's right, a person like Touma, just one is already too much!"

Touma:"OI!!"

Spoiler for Accelerator and Last Order bathing:

Last Order: "When Misaka Misaka was attacked by the virus, you were actually so caring. But now you are trating Misaka Misaka in an opposite manner, could it be that you have already grown tired of Misaka Misaka? Misaka Misaka is shaking from this shocking possibility."

Accelerator:"Wait... What did you say? 'Virus attack'?"

Last Order:"Oh no! Misaka Misaka quickly covers her mouth!"

Accelerator:"'Oh no' my foot!Why do you still remember about that day?!"

{That's right, I killed 10000 sisters, but that doesn't mean I should let the remaining 10000 sisters die. I know these words are crap, I know I have no right to say those words! But that's wrong! No matter how much of a scumbag we are, no matter how many more reasons we have, it diesn't mean this brat should be killed!}

Last Order:"...Ahah, Misaka Misaka is touched to tears when thinking back about it."

Accelerator: "I'm going to kill you... I'm going to kill you stupid brat!!"

[tsunade666]

Yehey! Yehey! I wish I could visit a shrine for new years day but its good. Here in my country its too lame I just slept it all.

Great translation and thanks. Which gives that no one hear accelerators muttering which is fine because he always said that in a way not to many could here or just his plain old monologue.

So accelerators ability had been cut down to half. But even so he rocks. Which also means to that his a waking mega-computer before. Doing everything up to cellular level of computation.

And touma being useless is no new thing to me. It wouldn't have been any better if he ended up beating the enemy again. Even if the others are fine with it. To me when touma is beating up a girl is kinda uncool. But it just to show that his not restricted to being the rules of chivalry type of person. His not your shining knight just your regular delinquent on duty, SIR yes SIR!

[LastResolve]

just cant wait to see accelarators dark wings in the manga since i really dont get what those are helping him to do i mean ok i know he downloads the aim field in his brain
AIM Field = the energy that surrounds the espers or something like that like misaka releasing small amounts of electricity continously around her

[tsunade666]

every esper has their own AIM field. For accelerator his AIM field is the thin layer around him. And if you enter it. His power will take effect. And depending on the settings he can control it's vector.

While in DARK WINGS MODE. though its still unclear. He can create vectors which are existing. Like manipulating others ability to use agains them. And amplifying his own abilities.

Just think of it as a power up.

Oh I like him when his in dark wings mode. He kick arse before but after in dark wings mode he totally rocks your mind off the world

[Chaos2Frozen]

Here's a different question, but relative to the WINGS.

If Accelerator's Black Wings can hijack other Espers' AIM field, then what does Kakine's White Wings do?

[giorno]

Spoiler:

doesn't he create new elements not on the periodic table?

also, accelerator hijacks other people's AIM? meaning...he control the vectors of their AIM or something like that?

[Chaos2Frozen]

Originally Posted by giorno

Spoiler:

doesn't he create new elements not on the periodic table?

also, accelerator hijacks other people's AIM? meaning...he control the vectors of their AIM or something like that?

-But isn't that's his natural esper ability, ''Dark Matter? If he has 'awaken' like Accelerator, shouldn't his wings be able to do something more?

-I'm not sure, but it sounds as if he could use their abilities... We need some details about his fight with Kakine to be sure of it's effect against Espers.

[tsunade666]

I haven't read vol 15 yet because its bloody.

I heard it from shmaster that accelerator use the ability of kakine to his own advantage and when kakine awakens he finally understand the real strength of his dark matter. Maybe before he still unclear on his own real strength. Controlling the sun rays to have absolute penetration and has no vector on it.

[giorno]

....eh? sun rays with no vectors? is that even physically possible?

oh, perhaps that's what his awakening does?

[Chaos2Frozen]

Okay, so the description of Dark Matter is suppose to be able to change the properties of any particle it comes into contact with... So maybe there's a previous limitation?

Then White Wings mode allows him to rewrite it completely?

Accelerator = Control Anything
Kakine = Create Anything

Going down that line, maybe in the future, Awaken Imagine Breaker = Destroy Anything

[LastResolve]

so accelarator in dark wing mode has something like a form of telekinessis
and kakine has similiar power to ars magna

[tsunade666]

I don't know..... and I'm not sure.

The only time yet that I have read. Is the time when black wings first awaken. With his half dead state. Wishing to protect a certain someone.

I think I posted it before......

He blasted the wind away from him with the speed 10 x than the speed of sound. Completely trashing the place.

EDIT:

I tried to look at previews post about it.

Originally Posted by shmaster

Of course he can. Accelerator even took control of Kakine's wings and use it against him.

Originally Posted by tsunade666

hmm.........

The black wings is hard to understand if you tried to read it half wise. Well I only read the unofficial translation and and very hard to understand if you read it directly.

From what I can gather ( hope someone correct me or give more info )

well I can tell a story about when it first appear ( I haven't read vol 15 yet )

Spoiler for a little info about black wings:

well it first appeared when accelerator has no battery and just being a punching bag by kihara. And I'm not sure if its singing or something but he heard the voice of LO. And to me his just delusional maybe because his near to death. Saying what's wrong with trying to protect her and all. Even a bad man stretches his hand on a good man. Knowing their not from the same world or rather their aren't walking on the same world. And with it even if I stayed on the path of darkness to protect that one person. I will walk me own path. Then he just went mad. Speaking something and ramming against kihara. Even if his not supposedly able to stand he stand. Even if his not able to walk, he run. All for the sake of protecting her. And then they punch each other. A dramatically punching each other..........
Like a boxer cross punching each other................ But sadly his beaten.

After that I'm not sure about this but I think kihara grab accelerators foot and then slammed him back and forth on the ground. Stepping on him again and again until it colored red all over. And then when his stop moving........ kihara took a grenade then left it on his face or near him by a few centimeters. And then a blast but this also proves that kihara didn't copy accelerators ability because the splinters hit him. But even so his still laughing, well he won. And then this also proves something because from what kihara said that the body of accelerator shouldn't be even stronger than a high school student. From a point blank range he couldn't survive unless he has his ability back but the way he is now. He can't use it anymore.

When his supposedly had died then their rise his black wings. But at first glance it doesn't really look like a wing. Well if you look at the picture when his on black wing mode. It doesn't show a resemblance. More like a jet...... ( yes jet. unless I'm mistaking the word say jet...... or maybe wrong translation ) the stream of jet booster . ( doesn't show any angelic view on it unlike kakine's seraphic wings ).

A then a man of science and to top it all a scientist muttered a word that doesn't exist on your lab manual..............................." an angel "

And when in black wings mode. Even without misaka network his back on his top shape with upgrades. Well still his a man of science. Kihara I mean ..... he said a lot but the main point is its real form is AIM. The wings a AIM >< the ability to control aim. And for me the aim is the world of esper. They can do what ever they want with it. And then the aim will take form in the reality. When that happen that's when an esper makes their own reality the reality .

The normal form of aim of accelerator should be shrouding him. Making a field. And anything he touch can be controlled. The vector of it can be " redirect ". But when it black wings mode the AIM took form of a wing.

back to the story. When accelerator puts forward his palm. The wings burst forth. Like a jet bursting forth its booster or rocket or what ever you called it. Then a blast emitted. A unexplainable event that even kihara can't explain. A blast that cuts through the office. The window, walls and door..... and not sure but I think kihara's abdomen..... his been cut in half........ ( NOT SURE ) and the blast is faster than the sound. 10x faster than sound. And the only left behind is the after image of plasma.

Well that's the story of when he awaken his black wings.

That's all I can tell directly but from what I read on this forum and what I learned in vol 13.
When one awakened his wings he can control the AIM.

As for accelerator he can create vector that shouldn't be even existing. and I'm not sure on this too but an esper shouldn't have the power to interfere with others ability but for now can't interfere with others reality. ( or had then be a event when one can control others ability? ). Accelerator can control the ability of others.... its hard to explain but in the ability of others their shouldn't be a vector right? but he can create or rather control it or not control it....... rather use it. He used the ability of kakine to turn against him. Sorry not good at explaining things......

hope someone clarifies more but the end point. WINGS = AWAKEN = AIM

Originally Posted by shmaster

.....Why did everyone think Accelerator died in his fight against Kihara? Sure, he is badly beat up, and out of battery. But he is stil breathing and brain still thinking. I mean, it is when he realized the flaw of his own logic that he gets to awaken.

Anyway, becoming Lv.6 is to achieve the SYSTEM, which is like the science equivalent of La Persona superiore a Dio. I think that is why Accelerator and Kakine are still considered Lv.5, despite they make the other Lv.5s look puny, they are still not good enough to be considered Lv.6 yet.



It really depends, some magic have very cheap requirements yet ridiculously powerful. Like Vent's Divine Punishement Formula, that is like, it is so easy to use and so poweful it is ridiculous.

And if you are a Saint... you can simply spam magic non stop. In the fight between kaori and Aqua, the two literally covered their battle fields full of magic formulas and consatntly hijacking each other's formula.

Also, Saints are not the only powerful ones on Magic side. I have no doubt that God's Right Seat can take on Kakine and Accelerator just fine. Accelerator literally have no way of beating Vent, and Fianma's power needs no explanation.

[LastResolve]

can anyone show me accelarator with black wings a picture or something

[Miraluka]

Accelerator:"...Ah, but just because I've become weaker, that doesn't mean you've become stronger, right?"

Nice.... XD

Originally Posted by LastResolve

can anyone show me accelarator with black wings a picture or something

Spoiler for black "wings":