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About her crimson wings, we probably need to ask someone that have read that scene in detail... But I don't think it's related to Angels...
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She has the knowledge about the magic which is outside the human realm, but with gaps so she needs to fill the gaps of knowledge. And Fiamma did so since the moment he got the long distance artifact from U.K. |
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2011-04-18, 23:40 | Link #503 | |
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Execution of Light function by bending the meaning of the crucifixion of the Christ. Christ, who is the son of the god, was killed by human according to the gospel. In other words, human killed someone who is above them, thus there is a shift of hierarchy. By expanding on this single point alone, Terra can frerly manipulate the hierarchy of everything. |
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@shmaster (or flere, or anyone actually...)
I just need to confirm one thing; is God's Right Seat's manipulation of Elements considered non-human magic? If so how is it different from the many other magicians that uses Elements for their attacks? Quote:
I don't know if it's from 'this world', but it's fair to say that her knowledge covers all known magic theories that humans have used before. Quote:
IS Angel wings, or LIKE Angel wings, there's a big difference in the minor details. To an untrained eye, Accelerator's wings were considered 'Angel' wings to some, but the devil is in the details.
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Like you can control the Queen's Fleet with normal magical means, but how the God's Right Seat does is completely different. Vent can attune the fleet to herself alone and attack whoever she wants without the Rosario (also, Vent is the one who wrote the Rosario formula). You can even interpret that for normal people to use the Rosario results in breaking their mind is because the Rosario is a GRS formula, that normal human couldn't handle. Same as Fiamma, with the very little original sin in himself, he is be able to use some fire based magic. Then by the theory that when one element is moved, all elements will be effected as all elements are linked. Thus with the output of Holy Right, he can controls all four elements by just tweaking with fire alone. |
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2011-04-19, 04:15 | Link #506 | |
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2) The narrative says it IS crimson angel wings which Index has, although I concede the possibility of the Chinese version getting it wrong. Accelerator's wings have been mentioned as similar to a Fallen Angel's wings too, come to think of it... |
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2011-04-19, 05:43 | Link #507 |
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So just to clarify again; without (most of) the original sin, God's Right Seat members cannot use magic that uses human theories and knowledge, but they can sort of use 'Divine' knowledge to replicate them? Particularly their respective Elements? Cause it's been bugging me for some time why Vento's air hammer is considered Angel Class spell when it doesn't seem all that different from what a normal magician might produce with Wind magic. Similiarly Terra's control over flour doesn't feel very 'Divine' to me despite it's Holy property- In essense it's just manipulating the shape of a matter.
So because they're using Angel knowledge, their Elemental spells are supposedly more powerful?
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Or it might be something like lack of incantations to use their attacks when others like Sherry and Agnese needs them to bring out their more powerful moves. |
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2011-04-19, 22:20 | Link #510 | |
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Like Terra's flour, he isn't controlling the shape, but achieve the the same effect as controlling the shape through Execution of Light. |
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2011-04-20, 21:01 | Link #511 |
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The red wings of Index recall me the 3 Choir, the Thrones of Ophan.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ophan Which are close related to red and fire. |
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So I think she actually used a spell that let her use Telesma for a while...
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2011-04-21, 13:49 | Link #515 |
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It's possible, but I prefer to see the actual passage for the little details before saying anything definitive.
Like what do the wings do? Are they a form of weapon like Misha's and Accelerators and Kakine? If so did she create this specific type of wings to counter Stiyl's rune magic? etc.
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Also, Styil was running away while setting all kind of traps from Necessarius Church (can't remember the name), using magic and illusions. Total deffense for Stiyl while running for his money. As for Index... think of this situation: You're an above average esper fighting Accelerator, you have no chance to win fighting face to face to begin with and to make worse your situation he suddenly goes Black Wings while chasing you. Thats how Styil was against Index. |
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2011-04-22, 00:32 | Link #518 |
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For some reason I couldn't get into the mood of reading vol 15, so I jumped straight into Vol 16, which seriously felt like the single longest fight ever
Question; The Divine Mother's Mercy sounds more complicating than I've initially thought. At first I thought it just allows Aqua to use normal magic but it seems it covers alot of things like for example the red wire execution explosive thingy the Amakusa used. So my question is this- What exactly does the Divine Mother's Mercy do? If it completely removes any negetive side effects of anything, does it mean Aqua will never get tired? Second question, or more like a speculation- We know from all the evidence that an Esper's control of power is base on his or her Personal Reality which in turn is base on their train of thoughts. So what do you guys think about a subplot where after seeing how despite being a level 5 Mikoto is powerless to save Touma, her personal reality was crushed and she can't use her powers? After all, if falling in love is a strong enough 'input' to shake her personal reality, then it stands to reason that being heartbroken would havve an even more powerful effect. I thought it was interesting that to get to a Level 5 status, one has to be in a 'perfect' mental capacity- no traumas or self imposed restrictions. But for a Level 5 to 'grow', they have to suffer some kind of major setback. Accelerator's situation is kinda obvious, but I too considered that Mugino have gotten a new 'power' wit her cyborg parts- being able to tap into electronics. I think the author is far too soft to give her any mortal wounds, so a mental block would be the next best thing to see a grow. And if she does grow, and a new 'input' is being use for her personal reality, maybe we'll get to see more use of her powers; technically she could do something with the electromagnetic spectrum and control various radiation. After all, Electromagnetism is one of the four fundamental forces of nature, that's got to count for something. Even if it's nothing that fanciful, there's alot of potential with her Iron Sand attacks- they could also be used as a barrier like Gaara (Naruto) or a suit of armor like Greed (FMA). P.S - In real life, where does it mention that Gabriel's symbol is the Moon? I can't seem to find anything that says that... Also if this is true, what are the other symbols of the remaining three Archangels?
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1.- Divine mother mercy basically means you can't be affected by curses, sins or taints in general the reason why he can cast normal magic is because that symbolism means he is a sinner due to "the original sin" and thanks to divine mother mercy he can pass it.
2.-No, see all Misaka clones all their personalities are different yet the same power, is more like "reality marbel" from Nasuverse, thats your origin and something you can't really change. 3.- Gabriel is often associated with the Moon, water. Michael is often associated with Sun, fire. Raphael is often associated with Mercury, air. Uriel is often associated with Uranus, metals and earth. |
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So what i'm suggesting is, if Mikoto seriously change her outlook on life and everything, maybe it would affect her personal reality and open up new ways to use her electricity. Ways that she never thought or even never wanted to use before. I'm not doubting you or anything, but can you point to me the source for further reference?
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