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Old 2007-07-24, 00:21   Link #401
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So...how powerfull IS Subaru really? Cause those three numbers were REALLY afraid of her
My take on the 3 combat systems shown so far:

Mid-child system is almost entirely magic based with some augmentation using Intelligent deviced. The power of the magi are inborn with their linker cores which is also their main source. This makes them the general Mage-warrior class.

Velka user are similar in that their powers are innate. However, reliance on the cartridges and Armed Devices means that magic is to augment their physical abilities. The surge of power from its use also means that there is a need for a dedicated systems manager [read: Unison devices] so that the surge doesn't eventually erode their bodies and kill them. Velka users are warrior first, the magic just gives that extra kick when needed.

Inherent Systems takes Unison devices to an entirely different level. It is both their souce of power and weapon, integrated directly into the user. The most machinelike of the 3 systems, I'd guess that there are a development from the Velka system when there are not sufficent numbers for natural born magi. Pure warriors in this sense without the need for magic [hence Subaru's strange affinity with them in her report- she can beat the heck out of a drone without magic].

About Subaru's and Ginga's power then? What is the most likely scenario for ambitious prototype combat system but a hybrid of all 3. When the girl was 'zerking out she successfully employed all 3 systems at one time, literally tearing her weapons and body apart in the process [which is the likely danger]. The Number girls with their specialist system isn't going to have the firepower to face a monster like this alone. The smart thing would have been to cut and run with the sample they have.
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Old 2007-07-24, 00:28   Link #402
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My take on the 3 combat systems shown so far:

Mid-child system is almost entirely magic based with some augmentation using Intelligent deviced. The power of the magi are inborn with their linker cores which is also their main source. This makes them the general Mage-warrior class.

Velka user are similar in that their powers are innate. However, reliance on the cartridges and Armed Devices means that magic is to augment their physical abilities. The surge of power from its use also means that there is a need for a dedicated systems manager [read: Unison devices] so that the surge doesn't eventually erode their bodies and kill them. Velka users are warrior first, the magic just gives that extra kick when needed.

Inherent Systems takes Unison devices to an entirely different level. It is both their souce of power and weapon, integrated directly into the user. The most machinelike of the 3 systems, I'd guess that there are a development from the Velka system when there are not sufficent numbers for natural born magi. Pure warriors in this sense without the need for magic [hence Subaru's strange affinity with them in her report- she can beat the heck out of a drone without magic].

About Subaru's and Ginga's power then? What is the most likely scenario for ambitious prototype combat system but a hybrid of all 3. When the girl was 'zerking out she successfully employed all 3 systems at one time, literally tearing her weapons and body apart in the process [which is the likely danger]. The Number girls with their specialist system isn't going to have the firepower to face a monster like this alone. The smart thing would have been to cut and run with the sample they have.
Hahaha couldn't have been said better myself Burner.

Anyway some reason don't you smell an excellent plot device? Sorry if I'm being "Captain Obvious" here. I just wanted to say a joke. Hahahah

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Noticed something nasty from the caps and the clip.

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I watched the episode again and just noticed that little part. damn.... Poor Ginga...

Oh yah the scene where Subaru took out 9 (IX) was awesome. Hahaha it left 9's arm useless while Subaru gets back up and fights.
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In most cases yes that would happen, but she had no communication to her squad.
What she should have been doing is to regain communications, even if she has to wave signal flags around to issue orders. That's what Nanoha and Fate were doing, running out so they can regain their devices and comms.

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Let alone most of the officers in the building weren't allowed to carry their devices for security reasons including Hayate.
I'm not saying TSAB policies didn't have a role to play, but she should still have been more proactive in regaining communications and troop control.

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For that action alone, it placed the military in a problematic situation if their current forces could not handle the situation (which did happen). Most of the mages in that confrontation were maybe B or lower in class. Other than that the rest is what "if" and "could have".
You are way too forgiving. The entire history of Kido Rokka is a litany of lost opportunities. In valuing the protection of the guests too highly in Ep7, they did not concentrate enough on getting Zest and Lutecia. Vita should have immediately cast Gefangis Steele Magi in that episode. It'd snare any targets AAA or below, maybe a bit higher as well. Since we now know Zest is a over-S, he might escape especially if he used Full Drive, but at least they would know that the enemy got an over-S guy, and it'd be harder for him to hide his movements if he has to use over-S capabilities to escape (knocking a few years off an enemy doesn't hurt either).

Their over desire to capture rather than destroyed in Ep12 eventually allowed the Numbers and Lutecia to escape unscathed. Imagine if they just beat Lutecia's face in and knock her out for the storyline, and that Quattro as well. Even Sein might have been had if Vita had decisively and immediately destroyed the ground Sein dove into with Gigant Hammer.

So now, with so many lost opportunities, the Numbers, Lutecia and Zest all accumulate together into a well-integrated Combined Arms Team and do their damage. The TSAB's security plan did not even make provision for enemy capabilities like Deep Diver - they should have been slotting in Forcefields into the floors to hinder that mode of movement.

Man, Hayate has a lot to answer for.
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Brilliant, my question on why do people trust Jail is met with the reply of 'Just because other people don't'. and "Well, I don't really..."

Just brilliant.

And I can't believe I have been asked as well about what Jail had done to deserve being called a criminal, perhaps you have skipped the first few episodes and jump straight here?

@arkhangelsk

When I said get rid of, I don't mean just losing their jobs. I mean literally executed. I don't know what backward world you grew up in, but that is considered immoral.

And they weren't at war to begin with, Jail had made that first move without warning. You keep saying rules of war rules of war, WHEN THE HECK WERE THEY AT WAR BEFORE THAT?!
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Cue Infernal.

Hmm it got swallowed up by the arguments. 0_0

Sorry don't mind me, I've been following this hot debate and I find that there's nothing much left to insert as everyone is talking about their points and countering to no end here...

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What she should have been doing is to regain communications, even if she has to wave signal flags around to issue orders. That's what Nanoha and Fate were doing, running out so they can regain their devices and comms.



I'm not saying TSAB policies didn't have a role to play, but she should still have been more proactive in regaining communications and troop control.



You are way too forgiving. The entire history of Kido Rokka is a litany of lost opportunities. In valuing the protection of the guests too highly in Ep7, they did not concentrate enough on getting Zest and Lutecia. Vita should have immediately cast Gefangis Steele Magi in that episode. It'd snare any targets AAA or below, maybe a bit higher as well. Since we now know Zest is a over-S, he might escape especially if he used Full Drive, but at least they would know that the enemy got an over-S guy, and it'd be harder for him to hide his movements if he has to use over-S capabilities to escape (knocking a few years off an enemy doesn't hurt either).

Their over desire to capture rather than destroyed in Ep12 eventually allowed the Numbers and Lutecia to escape unscathed. Imagine if they just beat Lutecia's face in and knock her out for the storyline, and that Quattro as well. Even Sein might have been had if Vita had decisively and immediately destroyed the ground Sein dove into with Gigant Hammer.

So now, with so many lost opportunities, the Numbers, Lutecia and Zest all accumulate together into a well-integrated Combined Arms Team and do their damage. The TSAB's security plan did not even make provision for enemy capabilities like Deep Diver - they should have been slotting in Forcefields into the floors to hinder that mode of movement.

Man, Hayate has a lot to answer for.
Yeah, and on top of that unlike Regius RF6 members did believe in the Prophecy and could've been more cautious because of that. Was there really a reason for ALL FOUR of their best mages to attend to the meeting and end up without their devices when it was clear the enemy could attack? And they left their own HQ protected quite poorly.
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Man, Hayate has a lot to answer for.
True, Hayate will have to answer a lot of questions including a her squad. Anyway the next two or more episodes won't be as amazing but at least the plot is speeding up into pace.

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So now, with so many lost opportunities, the Numbers, Lutecia and Zest all accumulate together into a well-integrated Combined Arms Team and do their damage. The TSAB's security plan did not even make provision for enemy capabilities like Deep Diver - they should have been slotting in Forcefields into the floors to hinder that mode of movement.
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Subaru's IS seems to be somewhat of an literal EXPORUSION upon knuckle impact. I think Thisguy mentioned destruction-upon-contact.

Since it didn't really shatter Nove's arm into pieces nor instantly break Cinque's shield, it's probably not extremely powerful. It's only dangerous for Nove and Uendi since Subaru's IS is purely close combat specialized...and they too are close combat Numbers. Even Cinque is a very-close midrange combat Number, which puts her in danger.

So, it's pretty much a situation of the IS type Subaru is using being extreme disadvantage towards close combat types. If Otto was there as well... Subaru's probably dead since she was being extremely berserk-ish.
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Subaru's IS seems to be somewhat of an literal EXPORUSION upon knuckle impact. I think Thisguy mentioned destruction-upon-contact.

Since it didn't really shatter Nove's arm into pieces nor instantly break Cinque's shield, it's probably not extremely powerful. It's only dangerous for IX and XI since Subaru's IS is purely close combat specialized...and they too are close combat Numbers. Even Cinque is a very-close midrange combat Number.
I'm thinking that Subaru's IS is more of a Shield Breaker ability... since I think most IS are activated using the tech-like magic circle the Numbers have, and notice that during the times when Subaru broke through Nove's and Cinque's barriers, she deployed that particular circle just in front of Revolver Knuckle, which is it's possible for Nove to have observed that Subaru's ability is "destruction upon impact".
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Brilliant, my question on why do people trust Jail is met with the reply of 'Just because other people don't'. and "Well, I don't really..."

Just brilliant.

And I can't believe I have been asked as well about what Jail had done to deserve being called a criminal, perhaps you have skipped the first few episodes and jump straight here?

@arkhangelsk

When I said get rid of, I don't mean just losing their jobs. I mean literally executed. I don't know what backward world you grew up in, but that is considered immoral.

And they weren't at war to begin with, Jail had made that first move without warning. You keep saying rules of war rules of war, WHEN THE HECK WERE THEY AT WAR BEFORE THAT?!
And how do you want it to be explained? I feel like believing him (I came up with this idea of his goals before he mentioned it himself anyway), and seeing how nobody else did I decided to make a couple of supporting posts.

I don't know what exactly turned him into a criminal, what other choices he could've made etc. His past is a mystery. All we have is TSAB records of his supposedly vile deeds (though did he hurt anybody directly? I don't recall him called murderer as well).

It depends on your point of view. You consider Scaglietti a terrorist and a criminal. Others could consider him a revolutionary. And I don't need to officially declare a war to act according to its rules.
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Brilliant, my question on why do people trust Jail is met with the reply of 'Just because other people don't'. and "Well, I don't really..."

Just brilliant.

And I can't believe I have been asked as well about what Jail had done to deserve being called a criminal, perhaps you have skipped the first few episodes and jump straight here?

@arkhangelsk

When I said get rid of, I don't mean just losing their jobs. I mean literally executed. I don't know what backward world you grew up in, but that is considered immoral.

And they weren't at war to begin with, Jail had made that first move without warning. You keep saying rules of war rules of war, WHEN THE HECK WERE THEY AT WAR BEFORE THAT?!
True they weren't at war, it was basically a "protect the people" basis.

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Subaru's IS seems to be somewhat of an literal EXPORUSION upon knuckle impact. I think Thisguy mentioned destruction-upon-contact.

Since it didn't really shatter Nove's arm into pieces nor instantly break Cinque's shield, it's probably not extremely powerful. It's only dangerous for Nove and Uendi since Subaru's IS is purely close combat specialized...and they too are close combat Numbers. Even Cinque is a very-close midrange combat Number, which puts her in danger.

So, it's pretty much a situation of the IS type Subaru is using being extreme disadvantage towards close combat types. If Otto was there as well... Subaru's probably dead since she was being extremely berserk-ish.
Hmm, this reminds me of Fist of the North Star.

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Cue Infernal.

Hmm it got swallowed up by the arguments. 0_0

Sorry don't mind me, I've been following this hot debate and I find that there's nothing much left to insert as everyone is talking about their points and countering to no end here...

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Lol, Skane we need you. This isn't a "counter" but with this kind of debate it's alright as long as we don't get frustrated and start hating each other. Anyway hmmm maybe we should cool down a bit and get a drink while were at it.
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Subaru's IS seems to be somewhat of an literal EXPORUSION upon knuckle impact. I think Thisguy mentioned destruction-upon-contact.
Made a comment about this sometime around ep5. R-Knuckle generates a kinetic shockwave either by projection or contact [hence it's destructive powers]. It is not magic dependent when it generates a charge and can be done manually [by spinning the revolver with the other hand] or by converting the magic power of a cartridge for a quick load. Her raw physical strength and the nature of her attacks are such that she either ignores a magical barrier or simply crushes one through brute power.

Always felt Subaru was the odd one out in terms of how she fights. She is the least magic dependent, in fact, has probably the least magical ability out of the rookie crew save for her hardened shields. Her magic and abilities are probably correct as B+ rank, a normal mage should be able to beat her on this alone. Unfortunately, a rampaging amazon with power skates and the strenght to effortlessly throw several hundred pounds of metal across a room is another matter entirely.

Now we all know why this is so. She's the daughter of the Terminator
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Sentokijin technology has clear war and peace uses as well.
But some applications aren't worth the cost to deploy. It's mentioned in ep15's prolog that the technology has a high failure rate and serious ethical violations. That's why research into it was halted. When magic can duplicate most of their Inherent Skills with higher success rate and fewer concerns, the technology is really redundant and unneccessary. Unless of course, you're seeking to create a situation where magic become unusable.

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I don't see a whole lot of people other than Scarlietti with this capability. If we assume Scarlietti made her, then isn't it the TSAB that's abducting her?
Evidence against Scaglietti being Vivio's creator: She was being shipped in a life-support pod when the drones intercepted the transport. I suppose you could argue that Scags was shipping her to his lab, but doesn't his conversation with Uno in ep10 sound strange if that was the case? "was it a Bureau mage or did we get lucky?", "seems to be the latter", "I'll chase after it immediately". To me, he sounded like someone who was given the opportunity to pick up treasure that had fallen out of a truck than someone who was retrieving something he felt was rightfully his in the first place.
Most importantly, his own troops weren't 100% sure if Vivio was the "material" they were seeking in ep12. "IF that material is the right one..." If Scaglietti made her, you'd expect him to know, yes? Even if he made several, he ought to be able to tell if this was the one by now.

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Rather, it is that to have a discussion of this type, I have to assume he has some noble motives.
You still haven't answered the question: Do you believe Scaglietti's words as opposed to his actions or not? I'll accept that you're taking on a contrarian viewpoint for the sake of argument, but from what you've seen so far do you honestly believe you can entrust the future of multiple worlds to this person? Stop evading the question!

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Personally, Stalin's whole concept of arresting (and executing) Generals that lose never irked me badly. Thousands of people had died, and you just say "Crap" and get a new command? No way!
That's just your bloodlust talking. If you think rationally about it, such beheaviour creates a climate of fear. It makes generals less inclined to take risks and initiative, lest they be blamed when their actions don't pan out. With the threat of death for failure, it's far better to just follow orders to the letter and let your superior get blamed for failure. That's survivable when you have a competent supreme commander, but competent SCs don't waste generals like this. It was worse for the Soviets because Stalin refused to believe Hitler would betray him, refused to reinforce his eastern front and executed officers who tried to tell him Hitler would attack, then he executed his generals because they could not defend his territories because he would not allow them to regroup to attack. Two main reasons Stalin won in the end was Hitler was even less competent than him and the USSR still outnumbered the Nazis even after all the losses due to Stalin's own stupidity. A wiser move in such situations would be sideways promotions to positions where they could do less damage or retirement if they're old enough.

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So says the person who advocates executing defeated generals?
They are not created easy, but every military commander has a second in command ready to take their position in the event they fall. Succession protocol.

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a rampaging amazon with power skates and the strenght to effortlessly throw several hundred pounds of metal across a room is another matter entirely.

Now we all know why this is so. She's the daughter of the Terminator
"A rampaging amazon with power skates". Now that would be awesome if I knew her as a friend, let alone someone like her.

Edit at 11:56pm -8 GMT: Woah it has calmed down. Awesome.
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Their over desire to capture rather than destroyed in Ep12 eventually allowed the Numbers and Lutecia to escape unscathed. Imagine if they just beat Lutecia's face in and knock her out for the storyline, and that Quattro as well.
Leaving aside that none of the RF6 members are willing to kill unneccessarily, they needed information on their opponents. If they could capture someone for interrogation, so much the better. It wasn't a "kill or be killed" or "take no prisoners" situation.

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Even Sein might have been had if Vita had decisively and immediately destroyed the ground Sein dove into with Gigant Hammer.
Considering that Deep Diver allows Sein to pass through solid matter, I doubt the hammer would have any effect on her at all.

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That at least, is not Hayate's fault. She's not responsible for GC's security arrangements and Regius would just laugh at her if she said anything.
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You still haven't answered the question: Do you believe Scaglietti's words as opposed to his actions or not? I'll accept that you're taking on a contrarian viewpoint for the sake of argument, but from what you've seen so far do you honestly believe you can entrust the future of multiple worlds to this person? Stop evading the question!
Why do Doc's actions oppose his words? How is he less competent than current TSAB authorities? And he's not asking to surrender all political power to him anyway, just to accept his work and allow further research on LL and whatever else he has planned. Which would benefit the humanity as he believes.
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"A rampaging amazon with power skates". Now that would be awesome if I knew her as a friend, let alone someone like her.
Now that's Subaru has gone emo, there's nothing a little tsundereko-yuri loving can't cure [that's the pervert fanficcer here talking].

Somewhat disappointed that the Guntank girl [Teana] wasn't there as support when Subaru went berserk. Suppose it can't be helped when her priority is to rearm the captains while the heavy tanks the drones. Her anti-missile skills would have helped against the Numbers. Ordinarily Teana and Subaru are paired when attacking and it wasn't possible here.

Erio on the other hand should be told off when he wakes for abandoning Caro and attacking a superior enemy position. Sure he has a new toy, but Fred the Flying fortress isn't exactly invulnurable or immune to bind spells.
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Now that's Subaru has gone emo, there's nothing a little tsundereko-yuri loving can't cure [that's the pervert fanficcer here talking].
Ok as much as I love Subaru, I wonder what "perverted yuri ecchi" scenes are going to be shown. If its going to be the same level as Subaru groping Teana, thats ok. If it's going to be Strawberry panic yuri ecchi then its gone too far.
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Ok this i kinda off topic but kinda not I have been gone for a while so if this has been covered then I'm sorry ><

Ok I just watched ep 13 and 14 and OMG it is all over the place. There are hints scattered everywhere the Subaru and Ginga are "different". Earlier we where talking about if Teana know that Subaru is a cyborg, the answer if have discovered is Yes. as talked about inep 13 while Tea and Subaru are doing reports. (around 13:20) through out these two eps it is all over the place that a lot of people know about Subare and Ginga.
near the end of ep14 while Subaru, Caro, and Erio are eating at the end when they are talking about mothers and stuff Subaru thinks to her self "a mother , huh?" ya i gust wanted to point some of this out if it had not been already ^^ if it has then I apologize. ><
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But some applications aren't worth the cost to deploy. It's mentioned in ep15's prolog that the technology has a high failure rate and serious ethical violations. That's why research into it was halted. When magic can duplicate most of their Inherent Skills with higher success rate and fewer concerns, the technology is really redundant and unneccessary. Unless of course, you're seeking to create a situation where magic become unusable.

You still haven't answered the question: Do you believe Scaglietti's words as opposed to his actions or not? I'll accept that you're taking on a contrarian viewpoint for the sake of argument, but from what you've seen so far do you honestly believe you can entrust the future of multiple worlds to this person? Stop evading the question!
Under conventional appliances, perhaps. We're not sure how far Jail has developed that technology to its success rate. Since it is a banned technology, TSAB may not be clear on how much it had developed in the shadows. Although Jail doesn't have a large number of them himself, so far it seems to have a fairly high success rate since it's not like Jail keeps 100 test tubes. Since he's so confident of selling it, it mustn't be that hard.

And the issue isn't magic. Mages are needles in haystacks to begin with, more so exceptional ones. So far, the Numbers are clearly NOT using magic as their source to their abilities and are not referred to as Artificial Mages, and it may imply that regular people can become Number-types, or at least weak mages can be boosted to higher levels relatively safely as a cyborg, if they so wishes. And some Numbers are exceptional. When 2 good ones can relatively match an S+ level mage who's like one in thousands, it speaks volumes.

And must we drag Scaglietti into issues where it involves entrusting worlds? The issue isn't whether or not we can trust him, but whether or not there is merit in advancing the science which while is unethical, brings about different benefits when looked in different points of view. Like Project F which for all its worth, is kinda like a pseudo-resurrection of the dead, or even replication of the living. It may be "wrong", but when shit really comes down to us, people wish "A" or "B" never died, or could be reborn, even if it's technically not the same person. Or even non-magic human weaponry that can be trained within short periods of time to curb increasing crimes, and the need for child mages reduces with that in mind. Jail may not have very very very nice intentions, but since he sells them, the buyers can use it to good intentions.

Plus if Subaru is any indication, it's not as if becoming Sentoukijins mean that they can't live a normal life, grow up like normal children, enjoy eating, and stuff. Heck, if Nakajima mama was a one, giving birth!
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