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Can't believe it's been 6 years since this was cancelled "put on hiatus". I enjoyed it quite a bit. The contrast with Vivid was nice.
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2019-08-31, 02:33 | Link #8323 |
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Well, long huatuses is not that uncommon in Japan (like Total Elcipse).
I also want to see Froce back. The dark tone of the series was IMHO a welcome addition to series. Not to say that "befirending" not seems to work this time: defeated Grendels were very eager to break free no matter how much hayate tried to sweet-talk them. And I like how Huckbeins are present: ruthless family of mercs (and Stella are super-cute) |
2019-08-31, 05:15 | Link #8324 | |
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Force... I'm not one of it's fans even though it was certanly more Nanoha than bloody Vivid, even though it to me missed the mark a LOT. mainly in how it set up it's antagonists and then fell over itself trying to make them likable, which was kinda impossible, after the shit we've seen them do at the start. Plus I was never a fan of pointlessly strapping pieces of metal to everything to make it more """"cool"""" nor of the whole outright immunity to magic nonsense.
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2019-08-31, 13:05 | Link #8326 | |
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I don't know about that. I've seen a lot of people drawn to those types of characters even if the plot fell over. Of the top of my head, there's Spoiler for persona 5:
Antic-magic itself isn't a bad concept. Strikers had some form of anti-magic. It's just another example where Tsuzuki should have ironed out the details before going forward.
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2019-08-31, 13:36 | Link #8327 |
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StrikerS anti magic isn't all out magic cancelation. You could either finesse through it, or just power through it. It's the difference between having a base protected by AA or having a field that just disables all planes or plane weapons with no exceptions. With first you can find workarounds or just power through it, with the second it pretty much deletes the concept in question from relevance.
Innocents is quite old thing and hardly connected to the rest of the franchise. It's from the times when StrikerS and like was relevant, and Vivid was a new thing relatively speaking. Detonation/Reflection pretty much reused all characters that it seems MT cares for these days that arne't tied into Vivid/Strike spin off from StrikerS and onwards. We have the game characters (some of whoom have been destroyed character wise) the weapons and designs from Force, the nearly outright invulnerable to magic (okay unlike with Eclipse they need to do some work before, but nor much) shenanigans, a Jail substitute crazy scientist, an army of cyborgs and humanoid drones etc.
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2019-09-05, 15:17 | Link #8328 |
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Since my last message seemed to have miraculously brought the threat back to life, he are some more of my fan theories of what I think would happen next in Force's story:
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2019-09-08, 02:21 | Link #8329 | |
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That wouldn't be a happy ending it would be the opposite it would made a war more horrible then the Belken War. Beside Earth, the whole Multiverse uses magic to do everything, it would be like shooting the whole Multiverse in the foot and the economy will fall a part. It would start horrible Civil War in each of the World. The worlds wouldn't be about to travel to each other anymore because they use magic to do that but the Worlds would be force into an Apocalyptic scenario. It would also made Earth the most powerful forces in the multiverse because they don't use magic for anything and would mean that Earth will be the first to made a ship to travel between world without magic because other then on Earth most stuff on other worlds would stop working. When Earth find these other world with life and they are unable to fight back against them, well we know from our history that it never turn out well for the group that is behind in tech. So Earth will be causing genocide everywhere. Also even Eclipse need mages/magic to work, without it they can't become a living weapon, so Eclipse would death out with magic too. Last edited by LKK; 2019-09-08 at 09:36. Reason: Posts merged. Don't post multiple times in a row. Use the Edit button instead. |
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2019-09-08, 10:42 | Link #8330 | |
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2019-09-08, 13:36 | Link #8331 |
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I hope to see that there is entire conglomerate of powerful corporations that create an alliance under the leadership of Hades Vandein and currently build up the army of not only Eclipse Drivers but powerful war machines, created from blueprints from Ancient Belka/Al`Hazardian times.
The sheer scope of danger forces Hucks/Grendels to join forces with our heroes. But since it not enough Nanoha and co goes to Nanoha/Hayate's homewolrd to gain the support from the Earth's governments and their military industrial complexes. Also, it would be nice to see Takamchi family, Arisa and Suzuka again (but this time as a participants of the conflict). |
2019-09-08, 15:27 | Link #8332 | |
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2019-09-08, 15:48 | Link #8333 |
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Erase magic...
SURE! WHY NOT! Let's COMPLETELY erase the main thing why this universe was interesting. Hey while we are at it let's dump a big stingking pile of SHIT RIGHT ON TOP OF IT and call it a crown. I think you need to tell this to MT, since he'll DEFINITELY do it since it's a bad idea. Although since you are mentioning Thoma, I don't think your ideas meet a minimum lesbian percentage. So you'll need to add a LOOOT of """"FRIENDS"""" for certain people to go bananas over.
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2019-09-08, 15:56 | Link #8334 | |
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2019-09-08, 16:23 | Link #8335 | |
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Also, I think that "erasing the main thing why this universe was interesting" is what makes the concept so interesting. What would the fallout be? How would everyone react? Would characters reliant on magic to exist simply be erased or fall in a coma (at least temporarily)? |
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2019-09-09, 02:43 | Link #8336 | |
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2019-09-09, 04:09 | Link #8337 | |
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That way, even if there were a riot, there would be no high-tech weapons and it would thus likely remain small; certainly not large enough to cause an apocalypse. Thoma's goal would be to reduce civilization back to the "old style," as seen with the cultural reserve he visits at the start of Force, to prevent humanity from destroying themselves with their technology. This "unchecked progress brings destruction" theme is most clearly seen through the Vandein Corporation, which infects people with Eclipse for the sake of "innovation." Last edited by Some random Otaku; 2019-09-09 at 05:20. |
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2019-09-09, 05:55 | Link #8338 | |
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What Thomas would be doing is the same as dropping an Asteroid on the Whole Multiverse . If life somehow survive, you will basely be in Fallout 's World and most likely get a horrible dictator get in control most likely using some Lost Logia from Al Hazard that wouldn't need magic or is on a level of Magic where Divide Zero Ecilpse would do nothing to it. The TSAB would be all but dead because there main base is in the dimensional sea and is a big giant magic base that use magic to stay alive. And even if the TSAB's main base stay alive, they would be completely isolation and die out if they don't have enough food and water on the main base before someone find away to made dimensional travel without magic. As I said before all order and law will fall apart, lot of "humanity" would fall to evil and there be rape, killing and all the other horrible thing you can think of. Until someone get in control of everything and they are most likely not going to be a good person. That why I said he would just be making an apocalyptic/post-apocalyptic World and the sad thing is, that rotten horrible evil people will be the winner in that world. It also why a lot of Religions have a believe that when the end comes, a Godlike being will also come to save the good people and end the evil people because it a scenario where the apocalypse/post apocalypse like stuff happen it the people with moral and care for other who will die. It also why one of the biggest worry our current world had, is the lost of fossil fuels because there too important to everything in this current world and would cause the world/economy to fall apart and collapse of civilization if they all disappear. It also a good reason why we are trying to turn to other ways of getting power. So when that does happen everything will not fall to ruin but in Nanoha's World they are not even thinking about a possibilities of magic disappearing, so they would not be looking for other power sources. It the opposite they have turn away from all other power sources in the Nanoha's World because of the damage they do and how they end up making Mass-Based Weapons that destroy the civilization of Al Hazard and Belka in the past I mean Ruwella would most likely be OK too but they still have a strong tie to magic because they do know about it and travel between World through the Church and magic. I mean we can go all day with this you know. I love end of the world stuff and how scenario could/will lead to it. Nanoha is a happy series and should not go to deep into that dark pass for the series, which ending all magic would lead too. Last edited by DragonXX; 2019-09-09 at 06:27. |
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2019-09-09, 07:21 | Link #8339 | |
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The story litterally opens with this line: "Is the meeting of humans and magic fortunate or unfortunate. For example: if the conflicts in the world were due to magic, it would be the same magic that ends it." The story is litterally acknowledging here that, while magic is what drives the Nanoha series, it is also what causes the conflict within it. With everything that has happened within the story so far, with companies breaking the law just to develop new magical technology, it just paints magic as not being worth it. After the opening line, Thoma sends a letter to Subaru about his "answer." While it's about him joining the Nakajima family, the story seems to frame it as him ending up being the one to decide whether magic is worth it, which holds weight since he can potentially destroy it. |
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2019-09-09, 09:01 | Link #8340 | |
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Also destorying all magic would not solve the problem of corrupt companies/people breaking the law in some way it could made it easilies for a lot.If they are killing innocent people then this was never about bettering the World or making new magic tech. It was always for there own evil purpose to get more power and rule over other and even if they say it was for the World, at the core of there heart it a lie so they can fulfill there own evil greed, pride and whatever other evil reasons or there being fool by people who are doing it for that reason or force to do it to protect what they care about. If you are killing people and it not for self defense or to protect what you care about or stopping someone to protect innocent peoples then it all a lie and your doing it for your own evil purposes. I also believe Thomas does not have a right to judge the world/magic and kill/destory the lifes of trillions of innocent peoples because he not nature/world itself or an all powerful, all knowing perfect Godlike being who can perfectly judge good and evil and the world and what level of punishment is needed for each person's actions. If he still does it, he had no right to escape the punishment of the people who are left and have a happy ending. |
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