2009-06-05, 20:09 | Link #2902 |
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Spoiler for speculation:
All we know is that Flight 447 encountered some strong turbulances and disappeared near the Bermuda Triangle. There are currently a total of 228 people on-board the flight in which 3 are pilots, 9 are cabin crew, and the other 216 are passengers. Everything else cannot be considered as facts as that none of it is confirmed. |
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2009-06-06, 02:33 | Link #2906 |
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black boxes area really rugged.... but the location signal only has enough energy for about 30 days. Ocean currents follow fairly predictable patterns... but we are dealing with 14000 ft depths there.
Once the sub with its listening gear gets there - there's a fair chance of finding the recorders (using robosubs to grab them once the location is known).
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2009-06-06, 03:01 | Link #2907 | |
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2009-06-06, 08:39 | Link #2909 | |
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The transponder (which gives the location signal) can be affected at lower depths due to immense water pressure, even if it is a high frequency transponder I doubt even the most sophisticated ranging device can find it. And no you can't use sonar, the object is too small compared to a sub.
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2009-06-06, 12:47 | Link #2911 |
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Bodies and a suitcase from Air Frace 447 found. I guess that puts to end any tinfoil theory of the plane entering another dimension.
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Secondly, recovering 2 corpses when the other 226 are still missing don't mean anything, not mentioning that those 2 corpses haven't been confirmed as part of the 228 missing. Considering that the last discovered wreckages wasn't from the plane, could it be that the 2 corpses belonged elsewhere. It isn't strange that there are lots of boats and planes in the area aside from Flight 447. Of course, this approach to the incident may be greatly influenced by tons of Bermuda Triangle stories I keep on hearing from all over the places in regards to this case. However, based on the information given, I would say that the plane might have sunk to the bottom of the sea or perhaps, it has something to do with the regional sea creatures like what SaintessHeart had speculate on where the black box had went. Although it is good to take a scientific and logical approach to the mysterious disappearance of Flight 447 and also the concept of "always expect for the worst" but I am sure the family and friends of the victims don't like the sound of it, especially when nothing aside from the discovery of 2 corpses and a suitcase has been found. Perhaps, this explains the multiple numbers of Bermuda Triangle stories. Many people with a goodwill out there don't like the idea of telling the family and friends of the victims "forget it, they are dead" when evidences points as otherwise. More over, the location of the disappearance was quite close to Bermuda Triangle and thus, its get linked naturally considering the number of previous disappearance cases in the area. Nobody can still explain what happened to those 50-100 disappearance cases, even as of now. |
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2009-06-06, 15:35 | Link #2913 | |
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The Bermuda Triangle extends from the Florida keys to Bermuda to Puerto Rico. That plane wasn't anywhere near this area when it disappeared. There were witnesses from an Air Comet flight seeing a bright flash in the vicinity of the disappearance. The struck by lightning theory is probably the most plausible right now. |
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2009-06-06, 15:41 | Link #2914 |
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One last time, the crash happened somewhere in the vicinity of N4 00 W29 59'. The Bermuda Triangle's closest point is N18º 15' and W66º 30'.
(flt 447 crash region location citation: http://www.weathergraphics.com/tim/af447/) The crash region and the Triangle are over 4200km apart (http://williams.best.vwh.net/gccalc.htm). We might as well start blaming volcanoes at the South Pole, air-gremlins, or space-genies from the inside of the Hollow Earth. The advocates for the "Triangle" connection seem to fail basic geography or ascribe powers to the Triangle that would make no one on Earth safe from it :P ---------------------- The Weathergraphics link makes interesting reading because of all the information it gives about weather in the equatorial Atlantic regions -- makes me wonder why those routes are even considered a "Good Idea" at certain times of the year. As for the recent recoveries -- Brazil military is saying they have confirmation, but since they messed up earlier this week I'll tend to wait til the French jointly confirm it. The bright flash report from the Air Comet pilot is interesting and implies a fuel tank eruption after a chain of electrical problems that may have been initiated by a an electrical short (or a unlucky lightning strike that the lightning dissipators and wicks couldn't handle). The electrical short weaving through the ship systems to the fuel tanks would be much like the TWA Flight 800 disaster in 1996. ... and we still can't totally discount a bomb though so far no one has taken credit (which one would expect them to do for the act to have a point). No one taking credit tends to put that in the 'meteor strike' probability area for now. People doing risk analysis and accident analysis don't rule anything completely out --- but they weight explanations by the amount of supporting data. At some point, a particular one rises to the top of the matrix -- people who play the game "Clue" get a beginner idea of how it works if they play the game well.
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2009-06-06, 16:16 | Link #2916 |
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Right, large commercial aircraft are designed to take most lightning strikes. From the way the skin is attached to the frame to the wing dissipators - they're designed to lead the current along the outside of the aircraft and wicked off safely.
That doesn't mean a really big strike or a *really lucky* strike might not overload that system. But it makes it less likely. Now the reported flash may have been the fuel tank exploding but again, we don't yet know whether the plane came down in chunks, missing a wing, or simply spiraled down after stalling at high altitude (certain weather conditions can make the airspeed go way below the minimum -- and then the plane drops like a rock. Fast action can recover the situation in most instances). What we have right now are simply a set of clues and not enough to give weight to any particular theory.
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As a former pilot ... the airspeed indicators are vital to ensure you're moving enough air across your wings to stay "afloat". If the pitot tubes (air data sensors) freeze up, clog with ice, get plugged -- you can get very bogus airspeed data.
The flight computer does have a "goodness filter" (Kalman filter processing) to account for that using velocity indications from GPS, inertial guidance, accelerometers, and from doppler radar (ground speed) but you and the flight computer really need to know airspeed to understand how to set the flaps, engine power, etc. Again, we need the black boxes to know what the pilots and/or flight computer were doing and what sensor readings they were getting. Thunderstorms are real bastards when it comes to channels or big tubes of rapid vertical air movement. The superstorms over the deep ocean can rear up as high as 45000 feet. At that altitude and low pressure, it doesn't take a huge vertical draft or a sudden humidity change (vapor being shot up from lower altitudes and flash frozen) to really screw things up. One scenario: If the plane were sent into freefall by entering a vertical draft region and the senior pilot was in the potty... a younger pilot might not handle the situation successfully.
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Perhaps, the plane had defective parts that wasn't mentioned. Some old planes are still in service as passenger planes in which either the system within the plane needs serious repairs or the exterior plane itself. Plane with leaky tanks, wing-folding issues, etc.. are quite common, so maybe the same goes with the anti-shock armor of the plane. I don't know, lack of information these days.. Tons of Bermuda Triangle conspiracies yet actual information regarding the details of the plane are somewhat unknown.
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