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zgmf-x19a · 2006-09-02, 16:53

Taken from MAHQ

Built by Terminal, the ∞ Justice Gundam keeps the basic design of the original Justice Gundam, although its armaments have been upgraded. Also, the ∞ Justice Gundam is powered by the hyper deuterion nuclear reactor technology developed by ZAFT. This new design stores power in deuterion form, providing a continuous deuterion charge and, in theory, an endless power supply. However, it is possible for the suit's power to be expended before the reactor can replenish it.

The Strike Freedom is powered by the hyper deuterion nuclear reactor technology developed by ZAFT. This new design stores power in deuterion form, providing a continuous deuterion charge and, in theory, an endless power supply. However, it is possible for the suit's power to be expended before the reactor can replenish it.

I thought these gundams were based on ZGMF-X09A Justice Gundam and ZGMF-X10A Freedom Gundam who are equipped with Neutron Jammer Cancelers
"By creating the N-Jammer Canceler, a mobile suit can use a nuclear fission reactor and function for a nearly unlimited amount of time even with Phase Shift armor activated."

ZGMF-X09A , ZGMF-X10A , ZGMF-X19A , ZGMF-X20A have the same GUNDAM meaning if I remember correctly
Generation
Unsubdued
Nuclear
Drive
Assault
Module

What does deuterion have to do with Strike Freedom and Infinite Justice ?
I thought they kept the same power source based on Freedom and Justice for Strike Freedom and Infinite Justice.
I'd be grateful if someone could explain it for me

and sorry for asking this question

SNT1 · 2006-09-02, 16:56

http://www.mechatalk.net/viewtopic.php?t=1394

a discussion on the mahq message boards... can you see it?

zgmf-x19a · 2006-09-02, 17:57

thanks for the link
It would be nice if it could also be discussed here too

4Tran · 2006-09-02, 18:39

Presumably, the engines for Legend, Destiny, Infinite Justice and Strike Freedom are all based off the ones in Justice and Freedom. Therefore, they’ll all work on fission, and have NJCs. The “Deuterion” in their OS names are probably just that: names that don’t necessarily have anything to do with how they actually operate (Who’s bright idea was it to base OS names off of engineering data to begin with?). I’m not sure if there’s any reason to read more into the matter than that.

Anh_Minh · 2006-09-02, 18:46

I think it's just an upgraded (more powerful?) version of whatever powered Freedom and Justice. Two years, after all, can be a long time in terms of CE technological developments. If there's a third series, set two years later, they may come up with yet another name for an even more powerful reactor... whose effects we just won't be able to see onscreen. It's not like we can really clock those things.

anselfir · 2006-09-02, 19:56

Science in these things are not to be taken seriously, all you need ot know is basically...

nuclear=bad ass
fission=bad ass
deuterion (one neutron one proton hydrogen +1 ion, presumably)=even more bad ass
fusion=ultra bad ass
hyper + xxxxx = ultra bad ass
weird sounding particle (with russian guy name)=uber crazy shit
organic oids have special powers (see mirage colloid) even though they are supposed to be watery

the deuterion is presumably a fancy spelling of deuteron, a light particle not suitable for fission, so either it is a chemical battery or is used in some sort of fusion reaction. My guess would be that the entire thing is basically one big fission powered fuel cell.

a fission reactor produces heat, and there is a need for an energy conversion stage (thermal to presumably electric), so the deuterium most sensibly should refer to a more efficient transfer process.

In any case, knowing too much is not good for entertainment.

SNT1 · 2006-09-02, 23:05

awesome, we have 3 people with the same avatars now :P

anselfir · 2006-09-02, 23:20

I just love that picture.

RX-78GP04G Gerbera · 2006-09-03, 00:26

Somehow, calling them "upgraded" doesn't make much sense to me...they actually seem DOWNgraded given that in 1 battle, Shinn was running low on power...though they never did show Levels in the Freedom or Justice in SEED or SEED Destiny...who knows...

rpgman1 · 2006-09-03, 00:55

I think Destiny still uses that Deuterion Beam technology that recharges the Impulse, except its inside the engine to recharge the reactor. Freedom, Justice, and the new upgraded models supposedly still rely on nuclear power (NJCs) but upgraded. In terms of overall battery capacity: Strike Freedom, Infinite Justice, Destiny, then Legend. My guess is the two former models are much more advanced than the latter two in terms of battle time. I think Destiny ran out of power because it keeps using its Wings of Light which seriously eats up too much power in a short period of time. No one knows how Akatsuki is powered but people know it existed around the time of SEED.

stillmissing · 2006-09-03, 01:01

MS power systems in CE:

Conventional battery- what most MS use. As far as I know, it's never been revealed what kind of battery is used, but we do know that the technology continues to improve. A first generation GAT-X unit does not use the same battery as a GINN, nor as the second generation of GAT-X units. Hard numbers on output have not been published though.

Battery with fission reactor and neutron jammer canceller - used mostly in the original ZGMF-X**A series of suits as well as a few other models like the DINN Raven, N Dagger N, and Prototype ZAKU. In this case the MS draws power from a high output battery that is constantly being refueled by a fission reactor. The NJC is there of course simply to allow the reactor to operate properly. For these suits, a power down is highly unlikely, but possible if more energy is somehow drained from the battery than the reactor can compensate for. Naturally, a power down will not last unless the reactor is disabled somehow.

Deuterion battery - used in ZAFT's second series Gundam mobile suits. An advancement in power technology that stores electricity as "deuterions" and then processes them through a mechanism called "petatron collapse". This type of system is more efficient that whatever kind of battery conventional ms batteries are, and offers greater energy output and longer duration.

Hyper deuterion reactor - used in Destiny, Legend, Strike Freedom, Infinite Justice, and the Providence ZAKU. Basically, an upgrade of the conventional battery + reactor design. As might be expected in this case, the hybrid system consists of a deuterion battery from which the MS draws power and a fission reactor (with njc of course) that refuels the battery. The mechanism by which the energy generated by the reactor is converted into deuterions hasn't been stated, I think. The same notes about a possible power down under the entry for the old reactor systems applies here as well.

anselfir · 2006-09-03, 01:41

Akatsuki is hax, so it gets a pass from a technical loophole. The whole thing is hax. Just stop thinking about it and admire its pretty chrome.

They should really use the Akatsuki in a coppertop commercial, that would seriously rock.

zgmf-x19a · 2006-09-03, 03:24

I thought Strike Freedom's and ∞'s Justice reactors were different from Legend's and Destiny's since both Strike Freedom's and ∞ Justice reactor have Nuclear in their Gundam name whereas Legend and Destiny have a different kind of name I forgot what their 'GUNDAM' stand for maybe it was just a way not to reveal that Destiny and Legend have nuclear reactors but isn't the Junius Seven Treaty considered void after the EA launched Nuclear Weapons on PLANT ? So what's the point in hiding their power alimentation status ? And another question if the Wing of Light uses so much energy resulting in a power drop for Destiny's mobile suit what about Strike Freedom it "spams" tons of attacks shouldn't it run out faster? Can't we say that Strike Freedom and Destiny are powered up differently?

srb · 2006-09-03, 05:11

The only good answer is that, based on the animation, Destiny's WoL use up significantly more power than SF's armaments could ever hope to do.

zgmf-x19a · 2006-09-03, 06:44

what's so special about the Wings of Light?

Jiyu · 2006-09-03, 06:53

I think they have official explanation here regarding Destiny's low power
http://www.gundam-seed-d.net/story/index.html
I don't know Japanese but I used Babelfish to translate it. From what I understand, it seems something is wrong with Destiny's engine.

Edit: Go to phase 42 and click D-I.Q.

anselfir · 2006-09-03, 08:04

Quote:

Originally Posted by zgmf-x19a

what's so special about the Wings of Light?

It looks purdy.

Anh_Minh · 2006-09-03, 08:18

Only if you like butterflies. I prefer birds, or even bats.

X207 · 2006-09-03, 08:23

ya too bad he wanted his opponent to see WOL, he should know better to not keep them one, well atleast the animating company wanted to make him look cool for a short time before letting him be defeated so easily

anselfir · 2006-09-03, 08:25

Destiny's WoL was supposed to look like angel wings, but meh.

2006-09-02, 16:53	Link #1
zgmf-x19a Divine Gundam Pilot Join Date: Dec 2005	Strike Freedom's and ∞ Justice reactor question Taken from MAHQ Built by Terminal, the ∞ Justice Gundam keeps the basic design of the original Justice Gundam, although its armaments have been upgraded. Also, the ∞ Justice Gundam is powered by the hyper deuterion nuclear reactor technology developed by ZAFT. This new design stores power in deuterion form, providing a continuous deuterion charge and, in theory, an endless power supply. However, it is possible for the suit's power to be expended before the reactor can replenish it. The Strike Freedom is powered by the hyper deuterion nuclear reactor technology developed by ZAFT. This new design stores power in deuterion form, providing a continuous deuterion charge and, in theory, an endless power supply. However, it is possible for the suit's power to be expended before the reactor can replenish it. I thought these gundams were based on ZGMF-X09A Justice Gundam and ZGMF-X10A Freedom Gundam who are equipped with Neutron Jammer Cancelers "By creating the N-Jammer Canceler, a mobile suit can use a nuclear fission reactor and function for a nearly unlimited amount of time even with Phase Shift armor activated." ZGMF-X09A , ZGMF-X10A , ZGMF-X19A , ZGMF-X20A have the same GUNDAM meaning if I remember correctly Generation Unsubdued Nuclear Drive Assault Module What does deuterion have to do with Strike Freedom and Infinite Justice ? I thought they kept the same power source based on Freedom and Justice for Strike Freedom and Infinite Justice. I'd be grateful if someone could explain it for me and sorry for asking this question

2006-09-02, 18:39	Link #4
4Tran Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2005	Presumably, the engines for Legend, Destiny, Infinite Justice and Strike Freedom are all based off the ones in Justice and Freedom. Therefore, they’ll all work on fission, and have NJCs. The “Deuterion” in their OS names are probably just that: names that don’t necessarily have anything to do with how they actually operate (Who’s bright idea was it to base OS names off of engineering data to begin with?). I’m not sure if there’s any reason to read more into the matter than that. __________________ The victorious strategist only seeks battle after the victory has been won...

2006-09-02, 19:56	Link #6
anselfir Style Über Alles Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: NYC/Chicago	Science in these things are not to be taken seriously, all you need ot know is basically... nuclear=bad ass fission=bad ass deuterion (one neutron one proton hydrogen +1 ion, presumably)=even more bad ass fusion=ultra bad ass hyper + xxxxx = ultra bad ass weird sounding particle (with russian guy name)=uber crazy shit organic oids have special powers (see mirage colloid) even though they are supposed to be watery the deuterion is presumably a fancy spelling of deuteron, a light particle not suitable for fission, so either it is a chemical battery or is used in some sort of fusion reaction. My guess would be that the entire thing is basically one big fission powered fuel cell. a fission reactor produces heat, and there is a need for an energy conversion stage (thermal to presumably electric), so the deuterium most sensibly should refer to a more efficient transfer process. In any case, knowing too much is not good for entertainment. __________________

2006-09-02, 23:20	Link #8
anselfir Style Über Alles Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: NYC/Chicago	I just love that picture. __________________

2006-09-03, 00:26	Link #9
RX-78GP04G Gerbera Whoosh! Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Albany Age: 38	reply Somehow, calling them "upgraded" doesn't make much sense to me...they actually seem DOWNgraded given that in 1 battle, Shinn was running low on power...though they never did show Levels in the Freedom or Justice in SEED or SEED Destiny...who knows... __________________ "I'll show you that a superior mobile suit has its limits when it goes up against a superior pilot!" - Char Aznable, The Red Comet "Come on! I don't feel like losing!" - Johnny Ridden, The Crimson Lightning "Hatred is the root of all war! That's common sense, boy!" - Anavel Gato, The Nightmare of Solomon

2006-09-02, 16:56	Link #2
SNT1 r0x0rz j00r b0x0rz Join Date: Jan 2006	http://www.mechatalk.net/viewtopic.php?t=1394 a discussion on the mahq message boards... can you see it?

2006-09-02, 17:57	Link #3
zgmf-x19a Divine Gundam Pilot Join Date: Dec 2005	thanks for the link It would be nice if it could also be discussed here too

2006-09-02, 18:46	Link #5
Anh_Minh I disagree with you all. Join Date: Dec 2005	I think it's just an upgraded (more powerful?) version of whatever powered Freedom and Justice. Two years, after all, can be a long time in terms of CE technological developments. If there's a third series, set two years later, they may come up with yet another name for an even more powerful reactor... whose effects we just won't be able to see onscreen. It's not like we can really clock those things.

2006-09-02, 23:05	Link #7
SNT1 r0x0rz j00r b0x0rz Join Date: Jan 2006	awesome, we have 3 people with the same avatars now :P

2006-09-03, 00:55	Link #10
rpgman1 Senior Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Lawrenceville, GA Age: 43	I think Destiny still uses that Deuterion Beam technology that recharges the Impulse, except its inside the engine to recharge the reactor. Freedom, Justice, and the new upgraded models supposedly still rely on nuclear power (NJCs) but upgraded. In terms of overall battery capacity: Strike Freedom, Infinite Justice, Destiny, then Legend. My guess is the two former models are much more advanced than the latter two in terms of battle time. I think Destiny ran out of power because it keeps using its Wings of Light which seriously eats up too much power in a short period of time. No one knows how Akatsuki is powered but people know it existed around the time of SEED.

2006-09-03, 01:01	Link #11
stillmissing Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006	MS power systems in CE: Conventional battery- what most MS use. As far as I know, it's never been revealed what kind of battery is used, but we do know that the technology continues to improve. A first generation GAT-X unit does not use the same battery as a GINN, nor as the second generation of GAT-X units. Hard numbers on output have not been published though. Battery with fission reactor and neutron jammer canceller - used mostly in the original ZGMF-X**A series of suits as well as a few other models like the DINN Raven, N Dagger N, and Prototype ZAKU. In this case the MS draws power from a high output battery that is constantly being refueled by a fission reactor. The NJC is there of course simply to allow the reactor to operate properly. For these suits, a power down is highly unlikely, but possible if more energy is somehow drained from the battery than the reactor can compensate for. Naturally, a power down will not last unless the reactor is disabled somehow. Deuterion battery - used in ZAFT's second series Gundam mobile suits. An advancement in power technology that stores electricity as "deuterions" and then processes them through a mechanism called "petatron collapse". This type of system is more efficient that whatever kind of battery conventional ms batteries are, and offers greater energy output and longer duration. Hyper deuterion reactor - used in Destiny, Legend, Strike Freedom, Infinite Justice, and the Providence ZAKU. Basically, an upgrade of the conventional battery + reactor design. As might be expected in this case, the hybrid system consists of a deuterion battery from which the MS draws power and a fission reactor (with njc of course) that refuels the battery. The mechanism by which the energy generated by the reactor is converted into deuterions hasn't been stated, I think. The same notes about a possible power down under the entry for the old reactor systems applies here as well.

2006-09-03, 01:41	Link #12
anselfir Style Über Alles Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: NYC/Chicago	Akatsuki is hax, so it gets a pass from a technical loophole. The whole thing is hax. Just stop thinking about it and admire its pretty chrome. They should really use the Akatsuki in a coppertop commercial, that would seriously rock. __________________ Last edited by anselfir; 2006-09-03 at 02:02.

2006-09-03, 03:24	Link #13
zgmf-x19a Divine Gundam Pilot Join Date: Dec 2005	I thought Strike Freedom's and ∞'s Justice reactors were different from Legend's and Destiny's since both Strike Freedom's and ∞ Justice reactor have Nuclear in their Gundam name whereas Legend and Destiny have a different kind of name I forgot what their 'GUNDAM' stand for maybe it was just a way not to reveal that Destiny and Legend have nuclear reactors but isn't the Junius Seven Treaty considered void after the EA launched Nuclear Weapons on PLANT ? So what's the point in hiding their power alimentation status ? And another question if the Wing of Light uses so much energy resulting in a power drop for Destiny's mobile suit what about Strike Freedom it "spams" tons of attacks shouldn't it run out faster? Can't we say that Strike Freedom and Destiny are powered up differently?

2006-09-03, 05:11	Link #14
srb I can see time itself! Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Kingdom of Sweden Age: 37	The only good answer is that, based on the animation, Destiny's WoL use up significantly more power than SF's armaments could ever hope to do.

2006-09-03, 06:44	Link #15
zgmf-x19a Divine Gundam Pilot Join Date: Dec 2005	what's so special about the Wings of Light?

2006-09-03, 06:53	Link #16
Jiyu Member Join Date: Sep 2006	I think they have official explanation here regarding Destiny's low power http://www.gundam-seed-d.net/story/index.html I don't know Japanese but I used Babelfish to translate it. From what I understand, it seems something is wrong with Destiny's engine. Edit: Go to phase 42 and click D-I.Q. Last edited by Jiyu; 2006-09-03 at 07:20.

2006-09-03, 08:18	Link #18
Anh_Minh I disagree with you all. Join Date: Dec 2005	Only if you like butterflies. I prefer birds, or even bats.

2006-09-03, 08:23	Link #19
X207 Gamyūsa Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Montreal	ya too bad he wanted his opponent to see WOL, he should know better to not keep them one, well atleast the animating company wanted to make him look cool for a short time before letting him be defeated so easily

2006-09-03, 08:25	Link #20
anselfir Style Über Alles Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: NYC/Chicago	Destiny's WoL was supposed to look like angel wings, but meh. __________________