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No, random jokes are awesome! It's just that people don't always get them - believe me, I know what I'm talking about. It's completerly normal, and anway, I was too focused on the dress. xD Quote:
It's just that seeing Lelouch on bottom gives me a bad feeling by now, because more often than not, people ignore everything about him that doesn't fit the stereotype. Suzaku suddenly turns into Mr Superseme, Lelouch's control issues and edge get replaced by cuteness of the not-so-cute kind, and he suddenly is so innocent and compliant it gives me the creeps. Even before his mother died, he was proud and stubborn - so much that Clovis was absolutely sure he would never, ever have let him win a match on purpse. Those two also argued, which means that Lelouch was in fact capable of being "aggressive" even back then. I just can't see him being happy giving up control, even to Suzaku, who wouldn't want to "totally dominate" anyone, anyway. Although, yeah, can see them switch, escpecially after the first season, prior to Zero Requiem. Topping from bottom is also all right with me. *grins*
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But that's not what that picture was in response to. It was in response to your 'blushing maidens' comment. You're trying to argue that Sunrise doesn't like to feminize Lelouch..? x/ Quote:
SuzaLulu vs LuluSuza is dependent on the mood of both parties, I just feel that it would be a rather tense and awkward atmosphere if Lelouch was allowed to dominate Suzaku. At ANY rate, I'd entered this discussion with a lighthearted intent, because after all I do consider Lelouch to be asexual. (I just enjoy me some shipping. <3) But it seems like this conversation is turning rather...spirited, so I'm going to back out now and leave the arguing to the more hardcore shippers. ALL I AM SAYING is that in the majority of pairing instances, Lelouch is inherently uke. |
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But then again, it's not like Suzaku is an expert. He has his own issues, like always putting himself last, especially when it comes to his loved ones. Quote:
That's why Lelouch commented that he had changed, and it made him uneasy, because Suzaku was supposed to be his equal, yet had become someone who let himself be ordered around. Quote:
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Lelouch was passionate before he lost his mother (although here, we don't have much information), right after he had lost her, when he was with Suzaku as a child and for most of the series. Saying he'd be passive in bed only because he's never had the time for romance doesn't work in my opinion. Quote:
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If Lelouch's personality anywhere outside of school doesn't count, why should Suzaku's? He's the sweetest guy when he's not in Euphie or justice mode. He had temper issues when they were children, but the same is true for Lelouch, just in a different way. Quote:
I actually agree with this. But exactly because of this, I believe that Suzaku would happily bottom while Lelouch would be more comfortable on top. And since they won't be talking about Euphie's death in bed most of the time, I don't see why they shouldn't get what they want for once. Quote:
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2010-03-20, 22:38 | Link #6764 |
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I'm trying to wrap my head around this discussion and maybe participate but am coming against a block. I understand the premise is Lelouch and Suzaku having sex, and which of the two would 'top' during it. However, being unfamiliar with the yaoi side of the shipping fandom, what I can't really get a feeling for is where the romantic feelings prerequisite for such a thing come from in the first place.
Personally, I disagree with the idea of Lelouch being 'asexual'. There is the obvious example of his interest in Kallen in Turn 7, and I'd also consider his reactions in Stage 12 and Turn 12 to demonstrate (sexual/romantic) responsiveness to Shirley. So I have to admit, in my mind, Lelouch has an inherent interest in girls. However, I also understand (like Zetsubou Bunny pointed out) that there is plenty of side material playing with the idea of a yaoi relationship between Lelouch and Suzaku--and furthermore, we've got the entire character of Rolo--so I don't dispute the possibility that the writers intended to leave his character 'open' to shounen-ai as well. The feeling I'm getting from Zetsubou Bunny and Nogitsune's discussion is of different premises of Lelouch and Suzaku's romantic relationship, not the sex itself. It's somewhat like: when/where is the romance interjected, in the course of the story? Are Lelouch and Suzaku feeling passionate and having sex--just after reuniting from a 7-year separation at Ashford? As tortured/confused hate-sex after their respective betrayals starting with Euphie? Or after they've reconciliated and resolved to punish themselves during Zero: Requiem? Or are we imagining an alternate universe scenario, where only Lelouch and Suzaku's natural relationship is involved, outside of the emotional directives of the main Code Geass story? The problem is (I'll just state it outright) I just don't see either of them as naturally homosexual characters. Romantic feelings don't play a part in Lelouch and Suzaku's interactions throughout the main story--and what that means is basically that every one of these scenarios, which could possibly justify sex or a relationship between the two, involves OOC-ness to some degree. While I don't really have a problem with this, with interjecting these feelings onto them to construct a yaoi scenario, (since after all this sort of thing is clearly encouraged by Sunrise themselves), I do think that the resulting relationships only reflect the yaoi-enthusiast's own preferences for where to add those feelings to the story, something ultimately arbitrary. This is essentially to say: neither Lelouch or Suzaku are gay. To state my thoughts on the matter, I am basically having trouble imagining either Lelouch or Suzaku willingly (let alone happily) taking the other up their ass. Both cases are, to me, OOC. A Lelouch x Suzaku relationship is thus, to me, inherently unconsensual. I think it is less difficult to imagine a tortured sexual longing for the other that ultimately manifests itself in force in either of them than to wrap my mind around the idea of Lelouch or Suzaku being gay enough to want to take it up the ass. For me, that is most convincing way for either of them to be homosexual while being consistent with the feelings/relationships portrayed within the series. So then ultimately, that means the question of 'who tops?' will come down to which one you yaoi fangirls ;P feel like making the tortured rapist. And I'll admit though that personally, if I were at all interested enough in yaoi or Lelouch x Suzaku to read it, that the post-Euphie period would be for me the most compelling point in their relationship. That is because, no matter how great their friendship was, or how passionate they are in general, you cannot deny that it was that period when their passion (in terms of strict emotion, not necessarily positive) for each other was the strongest. I'll also say that at that point I'd probably give Suzaku the hat for being most aggressive. So personally, although this opinion isn't worth much coming from a non-yaoi fan, my general feeling is that Suzaku usually tops. |
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Though I really can't imagine them having sex after the Euphie thing (and prior to Zero Requiem), because passionate or not, Lelouch wouldn't have tried anything there even if he'd felt so inclined, and Suzaku, while not having been very psychologically stable, isn't much of a rapist, either. He wants to retain the moral high ground, which is half of the reason he stopped himself from shoothing Lelouch back in season one. If he'd raped Lelouch despite of that, let's say because he really lost it, he'd probably have been more of a mess than Lelouch afterwards and, uh, don't want to see him go that crazy. xD But yeah, personal preference there. Still, in a consensual, more or less healthy relationship, I believe that depending on the situation they'd either switch, or Lelouch would do most of the topping.
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2010-03-21, 00:09 | Link #6766 |
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Suzaku became passive-aggressive after he murdered his father. Though his typically regressive aggression displayed itself in full force, for instance, when he suspected Lelouch of murdering Shirley and interrogated Kallen.
Those early sound and picture dramas are rather indicative of how Suzaku wasn't the sensitive counterpart to Lelouch. Just the more physical. |
2010-03-21, 00:13 | Link #6767 |
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Good god, what have I unleashed? I would never have posted that image in the Image Thread if I knew this would be the result!
(Nah, it's cool. You guys go ahead and have your fun ) But anyway, a hypothetical supposition about Lelouch/Suzaku yaoi pairing and who would be on top? .......Yeah, I'm gonna stay outta this one. |
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Nah, really, can easily see why this kind of discussion wouldn't appeal to everyone. I mean, come on, haven't even managed to bring up Clovis much yet! That's... sad!
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I blame the magically pregnant, anti-abortionist Lelouch and superseme!Suzaku, who outwits cute little blushing lamb Lelouch at every turn. Quote:
And as I said, I don't think Suzaku has it in him to rape someone. If he did try anyway, Lelouch would still be able to tear him apart with words so badly he'd lose his boner. He'd have to gag him. And blindfold him (beware of the Glare of Doom). And basically be more prepared than he'd be if it was simply his temper snapping - evil plans are Lelouch's forte of expertise. Quote:
They understood each other completely. There is nothing that indicates they hated each other even one little bit, not because of Euphie's and neither because of Nunnally's death. Suzaku might have had his moments, you never know, but overall, they were both pretty calm, teasing and joking with each other and closer than they'd been even in S1. Suzaku trying to rape Lelouch under those circumstances seems... terribly OOC to me. Quote:
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Well, I think you easily can label some things OOC, but not something as simple as a love interest. I almost feel bad. xD
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@Zetsubou: I'm a lousy artist, but I tried drawing a chibi Lelouch once... It... wasn't... that bad. Lelouch is strong-willed (and as noted by Suzaku, the yaoi fans giggling like perverts when he said it: "And your alot more rough." after Lelouch said Suzaku was "More Mellow" then he was.) and a genius mind. But sometimes he is trying to maintain his integrity by acting "All big n' tough" (<3 <3 for the picture, Bunny.) When that happens, it usually means he has a mood switch-uke-seme or seme-uke. Whichever he was previously =_=; Mood switch = He is good like that. I personally like seeing Kallen having the pants in the relationship REGARDLESS it being either Kalulu or Karai 8) Howecer you look at it, Lelouch loses. Oh, what fun! xD |
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Now, I'm not a fan of this uke-seme thing outside of random discussions (it helps illustrating things sometimes) or humour, but ultimately, Lelouch and Suzaku are equals, and this is how I prefer their relationship - yaoi or not - to be. I can see Suzaku having more of a thing for bottoming bring on the bdsm!, but Lelouch going all seme on him all the time, including outside of bed, doesn't work that well, either. They just don't fit the stereotypes anywhere well enough for that. Quote:
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Lelouch is definitely, definitely uke with Kallen. Hmm, I think he may actually be seme with Shirley, just because she has such a submissive sweet personality. I know how much Nogitsune hates the stereotype, but she is the stereotypical 'woman' in sex terms. (IN SEX TERMS. Not bashing on women -I AM one.) Now CluClu on the other hand IS about equal. C.C. has a submissive personality but she also seems to be a bit lovingly sadistic with Lelouch. But yeah, I see that one as being truly arbitrary depending on the mood of one or both. As we've already established, Rolulu definitely has Lelouch seme. Because Rolo is as uke as they come. Schneizelulu has Lelouch uke unless Schneizel is in the mood for some laughs. And since they published it, I must mention it: Lelouch is 100% seme with Marrianne. I won't mention Nunalulu since I'm probably the only one who likes that one. :} |
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And the Great Disagreement goes into the next round - well, as long as it's fun! xD
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I really don't think so. Yes, she has a sweeter, more childish side, but other than that, she's pretty bossy - with Lelouch as well as everyone else (just ask Kallen!). Much like with Suzaku, she and Lelouch are best described as "equals", so I can nod my head to the "depends on the mood" thing, at least. Quote:
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Lelouch would never submit to Schneizel. Ever. And since Schneizel himself has no desires, he has no reason to try and rape him. In fact, Schneizel only cares about the greater good, so technically, I don't think he'd have trouble bottoming at all. He's not so childish that he'd think it's degrading, nor would he care. He'd put his partner first, as he's the ultimate utilitarian without self-interest. But that's exactly why he's probably as asexual as they come no matter how much I love Kannon. Quote:
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Oh! ClovisxLelouch! Obligatory, yes, yes. xD Another pairing I believe would be pretty "equal", except that Lelouch would shrug Clovis off more than jump him, so it would be up to Clovis to get him interested. Then again, I think Suzaku is the only male Lelouch would ever actively pursue.
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2010-03-21, 17:52 | Link #6778 |
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Euphemia glomping Lelouch is common in fanfiction.
I would prefer to see Lelouch getting glomped simultaneously by Kallen, Shirley, and Milly. Kallen gets the front, Shirley and Milly get the sides! There is no escaping, Lelouch! Prepare to be suffocated! Schneizel has to have a wild side... just, you know... get him drunk. Then again, he is liable to go after Kanon and say "Are we... *hic* canon Kanon?" I really do want to see that three-way oppai attack Last edited by Arbitres; 2010-03-21 at 17:53. Reason: Typos, imagine that. |
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None whatsoever.
He is a genius, so he probably studied military procedure and protocol for his rebellion later down the road. As he did plan to do it without geass. He stole the body armor and pistol from some poor sap, obviously. Who was dumb enough to not wear eye protection.. oh right, 99% of people didn't know geass existed... right... xD Lelouch might have seen military procedure during his time at Kururugi Shrine, that is a possibility -- though it is a speculation. It's quite possible he met Tohdoh, Suzaku's sensei. |
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