2011-01-01, 17:32 | Link #11001 |
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and a complete lack of alignment, allows for situations where religious minority groups are persecuted freely because no one cares enough to stand up for them.
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2011-01-01, 17:42 | Link #11003 |
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no.
moderation is the reason why Christians all over the middle east are being persecuted by Muslims without a care. its because the west has become too "moderate" to care about what happens to Christians in "Muslim countries" (nevermind the Christians were there first).
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2011-01-01, 17:47 | Link #11005 |
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not a simple answer.
but the answer isn't to just ignore it. only to the "moderate" observer. start applying pressure on the Egyptian government to do more about it, and rest assured they will. give them a reason to fight against these kinds of attacks and they will do so much more effectively then democracies could ever do so.
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2011-01-01, 17:47 | Link #11006 | |
I disagree with you all.
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Begging the question of why the west should care about what happens to people in the Middle East, be they Christians or otherwise. I mean, yes, in the abstract, it's terrible that people are being oppressed. (Again, regardless of religion. Heck, it's terrible if they're oppressed for reasons other than religion, such as skin color or sexual orientation.) Concretely, while I'm all for sharply worded resolutions and international wringing of hands, do I want my country to get into an expensive conflict over it? No. |
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2011-01-01, 17:52 | Link #11007 | |
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write to your congress man and get enough of your friends to do so. make it clear that the voters actually CARE about it, and the US gov would take action. you don't need a conflict. you just need to have the US apply pressure on Egypt to take action against this sort of thing (the US gives Egypt billions in Aid every year) and leave it to them. anyway, its kinda late. goodnight.
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2011-01-01, 17:59 | Link #11008 | |
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I used the term J-C-I (judeo-christian-islam) because they are part of the same Abrahamic tree and share many characteristics and behaviors. But as for this story, you could freely substitute the religions involved and the locations and it would match many news items on record or historical events: (Hindi:Muslim:India, Muslim:Hindi:India, Shia:Sunni:Iraq, Sunni:Shia:Iran, Catholics:Jews:medieval Italy, Catholics:Protestants:Ireland, Christian Nazis:Jews:Poland, etc etc etc) Give a specific religion power over a government and things will not usually go well for others, either internally or externally. I only speak for myself but I would not want the government where I live sticking its nose into matters because "<insert specific religion here>" people were being persecuted. It'd better be because *people of any kind* were being persecuted , and it'd better be worth the national interests to do so. Despite the efforts of evangelical zealots to rewrite history or pretend otherwise, my particular country was established as a secular nation and in writing has asserted that it is not a country of any particular religion. It has certainly been at various points racist, xenophobic, exclusionary, stupid, misled ... but those were and are problems to be fixed rather than goals to achieve as fighting-the-stupid is a never-ending battle.
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2011-01-01, 18:02 | Link #11009 | |
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Wrong. France.
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- I do not believe in manifest destiny, in the right and duty for my country to tell others what to do. We're in enough trouble already with the Ivory Coast and Afghanistan. - I no more identify with Christian Egyptians than with any other kind of Christian or, for that matter, any other kind of Egyptian. |
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2011-01-01, 18:16 | Link #11011 | |
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I'm sure such a display of force will win over many Muslims.
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2011-01-01, 20:57 | Link #11013 | |
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2011-01-01, 22:46 | Link #11014 | |
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From Slashdot:
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2011-01-02, 00:21 | Link #11015 | |
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2011-01-02, 00:51 | Link #11016 |
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Just my short bit about men wanting young girls:
1. All talks of alternatives are really just nonsense. There is no way that pleasuring yourself will ever be as good as actual warm flesh, and if one as the guts to go for it, why not? I mean, even I would rather have actual partners than pleasure myself (which has no effect for me, anyway). 2. The corrupting hedonism of the current age is really sad for me. I'm not one to be against premarital sex, but the way people think that sex is just some sort of play, and not "making love" is disturbing. Perhaps I'm just a romanticist, but making love has so much meaning, which there seems to be a lack of these days. 3. Historically, Japan has always been sexually liberal. The only difference betwee Japan and almost all countries is that Japan is very open about sexuality, hence why it seems Japan is some hyper-sexual place. It's not: It's just a place where sexual taboos are less, allowing what is usually done behind doors (not going into how there are incomparable amounts of kiddie porn in the west) to be put out in front. Underage sex? Enjo Kosai? So what, at least Japan doesn't hide between "oh, we've got morals!" while being "hypocrites". |
2011-01-02, 04:09 | Link #11017 | |
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Though I wonder how the technology in China is going to evolve like that. After burying the capitalists, the revolutionaries are going realise that they buried their legs too and can't move forward anymore.
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2011-01-02, 04:20 | Link #11018 |
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China seems to stagnate quickly, historically speaking, with technology. They got to a point were they believe (rightly so at some points in time) that they are on top of the social and technological heap and just stop. "If it wasn't written by an ancestor 1,000 years ago or more it is useless", sort of thinking. They stagnated worse than Europe (which instead of stagnating, regressed then climbed back up through the dirt...then stole stuff it couldn't figure out from the Muslim and Chinese cultures...then improved or repurposed everything they stole).
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2011-01-02, 05:57 | Link #11019 | |
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If you must know, last I heard, those arrested was given jail sentence between 2 to 8 years
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In regards to China's Reverse Engineering efforts, Japan was already partaking in it a century before in their efforts to industrialise and look where they stands now ? China is a huge place. Give the Chinese a generation or two and you'll get something revolutionary. |
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2011-01-02, 06:53 | Link #11020 |
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Napolitano to hear air security tips in Israel
http://ca.reuters.com/article/topNew...70107R20110102 I don't know if it's a good new or not...
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