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Ithekro · 2012-11-01, 18:36

From the audio clips on MMO Champion it seems like the war just got very real.

Hellscream is becoming more power mad I think. Wrynn is becoming kingly. A long ways since Wrath where Hellscream was the arrogant orc and Wrynn was the Hotheaded Horde Hater.

Jaina is pissed. (pissed at the bombing of Theramore. Pissed at the turning of the Sunreavers. Pissed at Hellscream (again) for Anduin's sake.) Good going Hellscream. He managed to piss off the main pacifist element of the Alliance. Now Dalaran looks set to rejoin the Alliance like it was in the Second War.

The Trolls and Blood Elves are extremely against Hellscream after certain events. This will not end well for Hellscream's Horde.

The Alliance is becoming more unified under Wrynn's calmer hands.

Still no sightings of the current Trade Prince of the Bilgewater Goblins. Still want Boss Mida in charge.

No word on what Sylvannas is doing. Nor what the Tauren are up to.

Best guess is that eventually Hellscream will piss off the Goblins and Tauren as he has the Trolls and Blood Elves (the Forsaken don't care either way, they will still exist). At that point the Champions of the Horde (you PCs) will have to take Hellscream out. No idea if Thrall would be put back in charge, but Hellscream's going to be correpted by the Sha it seems.

GDB · 2012-11-01, 19:00

I figured the Tauren were already pissed at Garrosh since his arrogance led to Cairne's death, after which he obviously didn't get any wiser or calmer.

Xacual · 2012-11-01, 21:18

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Originally Posted by GDB

I figured the Tauren were already pissed at Garrosh since his arrogance led to Cairne's death, after which he obviously didn't get any wiser or calmer.

Well the reason Cairne died was because that Grimtotem old hag put a poison on Garrosh's weapons so they didn't put too much of the blame on Garrosh for it.

GDB · 2012-11-01, 21:24

It was still his arrogance that led to the situation as a whole. And it's not like he learned from it.

Last Sinner · 2012-11-02, 02:12

Hellscreams don't tend to learn much from anything at anytime. Remember what the one before Garrosh did...

Ithekro · 2012-11-02, 17:29

Still campaigning: "Boss Mida for Trade Prince", following the insurrection. If anyone can rebuild Orgrimmar, its Boss Mida.

zarqu · 2012-11-03, 00:29

There's no point playing PvP solo past 2 AM. The botting issue is just too severe. Sure, you can win games. But what does it feel like to play against bots?

To be frank, it feels like shit. Current PvP is an aberration of what existed in... Wrath? And I don't see any steps by Blizzard to adress or fix the issue.

Last Sinner · 2012-11-03, 00:37

There is no real benefit for Blizzard in PvP except for Arena. PvE is the real incentive.

zarqu · 2012-11-03, 01:05

True. I guess I'm still naive in the sense that I think our developers are trying to create the best gaming experience possible for us. For me, bots are obviously not a part of that experience.

Hooves · 2012-11-03, 01:11

Blizzard from my point of view has moved to PvE long since Wrath. Burning Crusade may have had some good PvP matches/etc, but it sort of went away with Wrath. Since there were no map objectives to take for map bonuses like BC/etc. So, people just went along and decided to go PvE and that's where I took the interest. I never really found Blizzard to be good in making PvP great except for ladder matches in SC2 and WC3.

But then I'm just rambling on

Last Sinner · 2012-11-03, 01:16

The pragmatic reasons IMO - Blizzard missed the boat with the e-games component IMO. Arena could have become that but it never eventuated. I daresay Titan would go for that market but good luck versing Riot and Valve for it.

Ithekro · 2012-11-03, 16:04

Mind you that Mists 5.1 is suppose to have World PVP options that remind me of AV (in terms of objectives) and perhaps something like Rift's zone wide faction quests or whatever they were were you could build up defense or buy guards or something like that.

On the southern Pandaran coast there will be a war between the Alliance and Horde and it is up to the Players to move it around. Taking towers, graveyards, killing certain NPC and PCs to get upgrades to structures, guards, rep bonus for your faction...things like that.

Destined_Fate · 2012-11-05, 03:48

Spoiler:

Hooves · 2012-11-05, 16:33

Currently reading Jaina Proudmoore: Tides of War and getting some thoughts about what's currently happening. Definitely a buy for those curious on how everything revolved towards what we see in-game.

Destined_Fate - Actually, the Horde is looking bad right now. Most of the community from what I've heard openly hates Garrosh, and want him out. I suppose the lore is turning towards the Horde because they are really unstable at the moment. While the Alliance stands firm and agreeable with each other.

Ithekro · 2012-11-05, 19:34

It is known that Hellscream will likely be the final encounter in Mists of Pandaria with the Siege of Orgrimmar. But could Jaina be a second end game boss? A Dalaran raid? Somehow I don't think so, but there is always a possibility of that happening.

Though I hope Gallywix is a boss, either in the Siege of Orgimmar, or as a Scenario/Dungeon at his Monument to Himself.

Destined_Fate · 2012-11-06, 02:01

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hooves

Currently reading Jaina Proudmoore: Tides of War and getting some thoughts about what's currently happening. Definitely a buy for those curious on how everything revolved towards what we see in-game.

Destined_Fate - Actually, the Horde is looking bad right now. Most of the community from what I've heard openly hates Garrosh, and want him out. I suppose the lore is turning towards the Horde because they are really unstable at the moment. While the Alliance stands firm and agreeable with each other.

Spoiler:

No, Garrosh is looking bad. The rest of the Horde is being portrayed as completely innocent and that all the problems are because of Garrosh.

Xacual · 2012-11-06, 03:20

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Originally Posted by Destined_Fate

No, Garrosh is looking bad. The rest of the Horde is being portrayed as completely innocent and that all the problems are because of Garrosh.

Well that's mainly because other than Sylvanas and the orcs that like Garrosh pretty much all the other races agreed with Thrall's policy of peace. None of them wanted any sort of conflict with the Alliance but they were duty bound to help the Horde when conflict did arise.

I'm curious who will replace Garrosh though, I'm hoping it's not Thrall again but it probably will be.

Last Sinner · 2012-11-06, 07:49

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Originally Posted by Destined_Fate

Spoiler:

No, Garrosh is looking bad. The rest of the Horde is being portrayed as completely innocent and that all the problems are because of Garrosh.

Unless people have short memories, Sylvanas would still be majorly despised for killing people of BOTH FACTIONS during Wrath. She clearly doesn't have any real respect for any other race within the Horde considering she willfully goes against their orders when it conveniences her.

But the question is will any of this matter if Blizzard decide to pull the plug come Titan.

Ithekro · 2012-11-06, 16:02

One usually doesn't pull the plug is you still have several million people playing. You might turn it to free to play, and stop supporting patches and the like. But this is Blizzard. They kept patching Diablo II for over a decade even though they didn't need to at all.

Plus a cash cow is a cash cow. They might pull away from it to push Titan, but they still have at least one more expansion (maybe two) for World of Warcraft. They will milk it until they think their it no profit in it, or they think they can get more from Titan. Until Titan proves itself, WoW is still on top. There has been no WoW killer. Not even Guild Wars 2, as that is an entirely different model of play (gives people something else to do when not doing rep, or raiding in WoW).

Titan might kill WoW, but only if Blizzard wants to kill WoW. They are the only ones that can at this point.

Ithekro · 2012-11-06, 21:48

Being Election season, and the leadership of the Horde in doubt after Hellscream is (later) removed, I propose this.

JAINA PROUDMOORE FOR WARCHIEF OF THE HORDE!

2012-11-01, 18:36	Link #8001
Ithekro Gamilas Falls Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Republic of California Age: 46	From the audio clips on MMO Champion it seems like the war just got very real. Hellscream is becoming more power mad I think. Wrynn is becoming kingly. A long ways since Wrath where Hellscream was the arrogant orc and Wrynn was the Hotheaded Horde Hater. Jaina is pissed. (pissed at the bombing of Theramore. Pissed at the turning of the Sunreavers. Pissed at Hellscream (again) for Anduin's sake.) Good going Hellscream. He managed to piss off the main pacifist element of the Alliance. Now Dalaran looks set to rejoin the Alliance like it was in the Second War. The Trolls and Blood Elves are extremely against Hellscream after certain events. This will not end well for Hellscream's Horde. The Alliance is becoming more unified under Wrynn's calmer hands. Still no sightings of the current Trade Prince of the Bilgewater Goblins. Still want Boss Mida in charge. No word on what Sylvannas is doing. Nor what the Tauren are up to. Best guess is that eventually Hellscream will piss off the Goblins and Tauren as he has the Trolls and Blood Elves (the Forsaken don't care either way, they will still exist). At that point the Champions of the Horde (you PCs) will have to take Hellscream out. No idea if Thrall would be put back in charge, but Hellscream's going to be correpted by the Sha it seems. __________________

2012-11-02, 02:12	Link #8005
Last Sinner You're Hot, Cupcake Join Date: Aug 2008 Age: 42	Hellscreams don't tend to learn much from anything at anytime. Remember what the one before Garrosh did... __________________

2012-11-02, 17:29	Link #8006
Ithekro Gamilas Falls Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Republic of California Age: 46	Still campaigning: "Boss Mida for Trade Prince", following the insurrection. If anyone can rebuild Orgrimmar, its Boss Mida. __________________

2012-11-03, 00:29	Link #8007
zarqu Stüldt Håjt! Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: On the corner Age: 34	There's no point playing PvP solo past 2 AM. The botting issue is just too severe. Sure, you can win games. But what does it feel like to play against bots? To be frank, it feels like shit. Current PvP is an aberration of what existed in... Wrath? And I don't see any steps by Blizzard to adress or fix the issue. __________________ Last.fm. MAL. "Don't take refuge in the false security of consensus."

2012-11-03, 00:37	Link #8008
Last Sinner You're Hot, Cupcake Join Date: Aug 2008 Age: 42	There is no real benefit for Blizzard in PvP except for Arena. PvE is the real incentive. __________________

2012-11-01, 19:00	Link #8002
GDB Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Age: 38	I figured the Tauren were already pissed at Garrosh since his arrogance led to Cairne's death, after which he obviously didn't get any wiser or calmer.

2012-11-01, 21:24	Link #8004
GDB Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Age: 38	It was still his arrogance that led to the situation as a whole. And it's not like he learned from it.

2012-11-03, 01:05	Link #8009
zarqu Stüldt Håjt! Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: On the corner Age: 34	True. I guess I'm still naive in the sense that I think our developers are trying to create the best gaming experience possible for us. For me, bots are obviously not a part of that experience. __________________ Last.fm. MAL. "Don't take refuge in the false security of consensus."

2012-11-03, 01:16	Link #8011
Last Sinner You're Hot, Cupcake Join Date: Aug 2008 Age: 42	The pragmatic reasons IMO - Blizzard missed the boat with the e-games component IMO. Arena could have become that but it never eventuated. I daresay Titan would go for that market but good luck versing Riot and Valve for it. __________________

2012-11-03, 16:04	Link #8012
Ithekro Gamilas Falls Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Republic of California Age: 46	Mind you that Mists 5.1 is suppose to have World PVP options that remind me of AV (in terms of objectives) and perhaps something like Rift's zone wide faction quests or whatever they were were you could build up defense or buy guards or something like that. On the southern Pandaran coast there will be a war between the Alliance and Horde and it is up to the Players to move it around. Taking towers, graveyards, killing certain NPC and PCs to get upgrades to structures, guards, rep bonus for your faction...things like that. __________________

2012-11-05, 03:48	Link #8013
Destined_Fate Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: "Sacrifice one to appease the few."	Spoiler: I'm still pretty miffed that Blizzard teased Blood Elves and High Elves being in the Alliance fully again only to take it all away and go "Look, Jaina is finally doing something against the Horde". They act like that's what Alliance wanted her to do. No, that isn't it. We wanted her to stop kissing Horde tail and helping the war effort not ruining everything like always. Had the BE/HE joined the Alliance again than we would get the highly requested Alliance Race and it would at least shake up Northern Eastern Kindoms for the novels. But noooo, Jaina just had to prove to everyone how useless she is yet again. Seriously, the only reason Blizzard keeps her alive is because they can use her as a plot device to make the Horde look good and the Alliance look bad.

2012-11-05, 19:34	Link #8015
Ithekro Gamilas Falls Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Republic of California Age: 46	It is known that Hellscream will likely be the final encounter in Mists of Pandaria with the Siege of Orgrimmar. But could Jaina be a second end game boss? A Dalaran raid? Somehow I don't think so, but there is always a possibility of that happening. Though I hope Gallywix is a boss, either in the Siege of Orgimmar, or as a Scenario/Dungeon at his Monument to Himself. __________________

2012-11-06, 16:02	Link #8019
Ithekro Gamilas Falls Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Republic of California Age: 46	One usually doesn't pull the plug is you still have several million people playing. You might turn it to free to play, and stop supporting patches and the like. But this is Blizzard. They kept patching Diablo II for over a decade even though they didn't need to at all. Plus a cash cow is a cash cow. They might pull away from it to push Titan, but they still have at least one more expansion (maybe two) for World of Warcraft. They will milk it until they think their it no profit in it, or they think they can get more from Titan. Until Titan proves itself, WoW is still on top. There has been no WoW killer. Not even Guild Wars 2, as that is an entirely different model of play (gives people something else to do when not doing rep, or raiding in WoW). Titan might kill WoW, but only if Blizzard wants to kill WoW. They are the only ones that can at this point. __________________

2012-11-06, 21:48	Link #8020
Ithekro Gamilas Falls Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Republic of California Age: 46	Being Election season, and the leadership of the Horde in doubt after Hellscream is (later) removed, I propose this. JAINA PROUDMOORE FOR WARCHIEF OF THE HORDE! __________________