Oda Nobuna no Yabou [Light Novel]

[sapper]

@reaper i hope not truthfully id like to see him end up with all the girls lol thats just me though

@chad i dont think she'll be the sister...at least i hope not lol

[ReaperxKingx]

Wow, Oda Nobuna no Yabou has almost every type of Romance and characters that people love. Yuri, Lolicons, Tsundere, Split Personality, and Traps. Wait there was a 27 years old pirate that is a Shotacon I believe, so there is everything in here for someone to like.

[Welsh_Dragon]

Which one has the split personality?

[ReaperxKingx]

Niwa Nagahide, she is the tactician of the Oda Clan. She also happens to be the eldest among the girls at age 20. She is usually happy, cheerful, and sometimes serious when the time comes. I don't know how the other personality activates, but I do know this.

Niwa is usually this

Spoiler for Niwa Normal:

Niwa's other side

Spoiler for Niwa's Other Side:

[sapper]

haha sagara should get with her lol

[Welsh_Dragon]

Ah it's Niwa. Sorry there are so many characters it's hard to keep up a bit.

[ReaperxKingx]

There are not many female characters I believe, at best I think there are 14 or more. All of them got pretty distinguish features. Especially among Daimyos. Even minor or supporting characters you can pretty much find who is who. Like Louise Francis, aka the Christian Nun who have very very very Large Breasts with Blond hair who also seems to think her body is unattractive.

Spoiler for Louise Francis:

[Undertaker]

Originally Posted by Welsh_Dragon

Which one has the split personality?

Originally Posted by ReaperxKingx

Niwa Nagahide, she is the tactician of the Oda Clan. She also happens to be the eldest among the girls at age 20. She is usually happy, cheerful, and sometimes serious when the time comes. I don't know how the other personality activates, but I do know this.

Niwa is usually this

Spoiler for Niwa Normal:

Niwa's other side

Spoiler for Niwa's Other Side:

neh, Niwa doesn't have a real split-personality, she's just a "haraguroi" character. The type of character who is sweet/cute innocent on the outside but black (scheming, serious, calculating, and/or sadistic) inside.

[ReaperxKingx]

Originally Posted by Undertaker

neh, Niwa doesn't have a real split-personality, she's just a "haraguroi" character. The type of character who is sweet/cute innocent on the outside but black (scheming, serious, calculating, and/or sadistic) inside.

I think that defines a somewhat different personality. Where ones hides a part of yourself then exposes it in a type of situation.

[sapper]

Originally Posted by ReaperxKingx

There are not many female characters I believe, at best I think there are 14 or more. All of them got pretty distinguish features. Especially among Daimyos. Even minor or supporting characters you can pretty much find who is who. Like Louise Francis, aka the Christian Nun who have very very very Large Breasts with Blond hair who also seems to think her body is unattractive.

Spoiler for Louise Francis:

SWEET MOTHER OF JESUS! how does she not think shes unattractive?

[ReaperxKingx]

Originally Posted by sapper

SWEET MOTHER OF JESUS! how does she not think shes unattractive?

She believes that a developed body is unattractive. From your reaction Sapper, I think you will agree that she got a very very stacked and developed body. She is very developed and that is why she thinks that way.

[Mechatrill]

On Niwa:

The title given for that pic, I think, is a bit misleading.

I can't be sure, seeing as how none of the Chinese versions I found had pictures embedded with the text. Still, given the picture and its general placement in the sequence of pictures, I think this is the actual context for it:

Spoiler:

A bit of framing first:

As I've briefly mentioned in my summaries before, Nagamasa Azai's actions in volume 2 was basically to try to quietly sabotage Nobuna's attempt at retaking Mino as much as possible without doing so openly. That way, when Nobuna fails to retake Mino with her own forces, she would have no choice but to request help from an outside force, namely the Azai, and thus, she'd have to marry Nagamasa.

At that stage of the volume, I think the MC was embarking on one of the final plans for taking Mino (I think it was the 1 night castle, but I'm not sure at all). Anyways, Nagamasa, seeing how it might win the war for Nobuna, brings a force of Azai soldiers toward the battlefield, only to be intercepted by Niwa.

Niwa basically stops Nagamasa cold and says that she has orders to not allow anyone past this point, and to enforce it with deadly force if needed (I think it's implied that Nobuna knows what Nagamasa was up to and had Niwa there on purpose). When Nagamasa tries to argue with her (if Niwa kills Nagamasa then it'd be war between Oda and Azai). Niwa's rebuttal was to basically state that her orders was that nothing gets past, no exceptions, and that anything else is not her problem. That picture, I think was Niwa rolling her intimidate and bluff checks and getting natural 20s.

Of course, Nagamasa is suitably cowed and retreats without a fight.

I didn't have this part as part of my summary of vol 2 (it was a relatively minor scene and I don't really remember where exactly it fitted in), so it's understandable if you guys got the wrong idea and thought Niwa had a split personality. She doesn't, not from what I've read thus far anyways...

[justpassingby]

^ Yes you're correct, the picture is when Manchiyo stopped Nagamasa.

I think the split personality character you guys were thinking was Juubei

[Undertaker]

Originally Posted by ReaperxKingx

I think that defines a somewhat different personality. Where ones hides a part of yourself then exposes it in a type of situation.

I agree, it's just that when I hear split-personality as a character type, my instinct is that they literally have a split personality independent of each other. For example Kozue Aoba in Mahoraba.

In Niwa's case even in her cheerful mode, you can feel she's calculating something behind, similar to Suiseiseki from Rozan Maiden or Lacus from SEED, who are both considered as haraguroi.

But I got to say I love Niwa's niche on grading everything Oda side is doing or planning, although it is a bit weird logically when she gave a low score yet does not offer any advice.

[Mechatrill]

Originally Posted by ReaperxKingx

She believes that a developed body is unattractive. From your reaction Sapper, I think you will agree that she got a very very stacked and developed body. She is very developed and that is why she thinks that way.

Well, I think the Japanese idealization of beauty for that time period is in a slim body, which Francis... Doesn't quite qualify for...

I think, and I'm not too sure on this so don't quote me, there was also something about how Francis was told that a large chest temps men, and being a Jesuit, that kind of thing is generally heavily discouraged.

Of course, the MC had to turn that around and state that a bountiful chest brings men happiness. Which was one of the arguments he used to try to boost her self-esteem.

[sapper]

@reaper please tell me shes in the harem (yes im going to start calling this a harem cause deep down thats waht he really wants lmfao idk)

[Mechatrill]

As of volume 5, I don't think she really is...

I tend to be conservative when it comes down to romantic relationships, but this is how I've seen it. Francis does have some amount of feeling toward the MC, but those feelings, to me, feel like it's motivated by pure kindness (she really takes to the goodwill toward all mankind part of her teachings) and friendship (with a bit of admiration mixed in) than any sort of romantic inclination (although, to be fair, since she's a nun, she'd suppress anything of the sort right away, so...).

Of course, this is just up to volume 5. She's only been introduced in vol 3. In 4, the MC was off covering the retreat while she's still in Kyoto (I think?), and in 5, the MC's off in Ise and then ran off to the battlegrounds between Shingen and Tokugawa while she's probably still in Kyoto. So yeah, other than vol 3, she hasn't had much interactions with the MC.

This might very well change in vol 6-9, but I haven't read those, so...

[Undertaker]

Originally Posted by Mechatrill

Well, I think the Japanese idealization of beauty for that time period is in a slim body, which Francis... Doesn't quite qualify for...

I think, and I'm not too sure on this so don't quote me, there was also something about how Francis was told that a large chest temps men, and being a Jesuit, that kind of thing is generally heavily discouraged.

Of course, the MC had to turn that around and state that a bountiful chest brings men happiness. Which was one of the arguments he used to try to boost her self-esteem.

Doesn't really have anything to do with Japanese's idealization of beauty at time.

It was what you mention that is the main cause, that people are staring at her rack (naturally) and saying things like that "huge breast is evil", "it's temptation from the devils and demons" that sort of things by priests and monks both in her home country and after she arrived in Japan. Of course, Saru's sets the record straight.

@sapper: So far there is no sign that Francis is having romantic feeling, though she does consider Saru as a good friend and a kind person.


EDIT:

Mechatrill posted before I did, but completely agree with his analysis there.

[Sumeragi]

And I'm getting my blood pressure rising due to all this questions/comments about "Is someone in the harem? I hope she's in the harem!". As much as Monkey is ecchi at times, he is mostly pretty serious with what he does, and picking up girls is quite a bit down the list.

And here's the thing: Unlike say Zero no Tsukaima, it's the relative casualness of Nobuna that Monkey is able to get away with what he has done. Unlike a medieval Europe or the Romance of the Three Kingdoms, the social structure is very rigid, and thus for any girls trying to romance him outside of Nobuna, Juubei, and Nene, it is going to be a large barrier to overcome.

[chad001]

Originally Posted by Sumeragi

And I'm getting my blood pressure rising due to all this questions/comments about "Is someone in the harem? I hope she's in the harem!". As much as Monkey is ecchi at times, he is mostly pretty serious with what he does, and picking up girls is quite a bit down the list.

And here's the thing: Unlike say Zero no Tsukaima, it's the relative casualness of Nobuna that Monkey is able to get away with what he has done. Unlike a medieval Europe or the Romance of the Three Kingdoms, the social structure is very rigid, and thus for any girls trying to romance him outside of Nobuna, Juubei, and Nene, it is going to be a large barrier to overcome.

My guess is that he's just way to busy to go skirt-chasing. I mean, when you have major military-events every other day, who has time to flirt?