Nanoha - StrikerS - Episode 23 Discussion / Poll

[Ultima_Rasengan05]

plot hole perhaps?
maybe originally Vivio is the "power source" of the ship and its just on auto-pilot mode towards TSAB.
Now I'm just wondering whether Vivio is being controlled by Quattro or not in her current form.

Anyways, maybe the reason why she reverted to this form was because it had to do with something that Jail did to her when she got captured?
I mean I do remember Jail holding a certain relic in his hand for Vivio to be experimented on in one of the previous episodes...now that would suck for Lutecia if thats Relic#11.

I'm all in for Vivio being stuck in Teenage form if she gets rescued by Nanoha...BTW though, does this episode show Vivio's device for this form?

[arkxkra]

wow, Vivio the "new look", very similar to Nanoha, especially the hair style, so sad to see them fight each other + Nanoha-chan 2nd level release of her blast mode, 1st level release already injured... really hope later on, Nanoha-chan still ok, and not heavy injured...
this epsiode the star team not bad, teana 1 vs 3 finally fight back ...

Subaru divide buster not bad, 1 shoot finish ... as well as Mach Caliber good "auto pilot"....

Although the fight quite short, i think is very short, but is a nice fight....
looking forward to next episdoe, finally lightning team fight back,i think can finally feel the power of feito-chan mode 4th, but again, dont become a heavy injured please ....

[Keroko]

Originally Posted by iamandragon

:scared: Erm...tell me which part is Quattro's chatting and I'll translate for you?

EDIT: Done

Spoiler:

-Nanoha enters:
Welcome. I have been waiting here for long. Thank you for running here for nothing. However, your comrades who are fighting in other places are in a big pinch.
-Shows screens
Nanoha: I'm arresting you for large scale rioting. I command you to stop the riot and unarm yourself.
Quattro: You can execute your mission so calmly even in the face of your comrades and daughter are in such danger? That's nice, this devilish sense of justice.
-Touches Vivio, Divine buster'ed
Quattro: However, I wonder if you can keep your calm if I do this?
-Shocks Vivio
Quattro: Let me tell you something good. When she was sleeping in the the case, it was her who destroyed the truck and the gadget drone. And the bombardment from Deici you blocked with all your might can be easilly survived by Vivio no matter what. That is the inherit skill of the ancient Belka Royal Families, the Holy King's armor. Through the fusion of relic, this child call back this power completely. Ancient Belka royals are the ultimate weapons through self-modification, they have the power of the relic based weapons.
-Vivio screams out for Nanoha and vice versa
Quattro: It will be completed soon. Our King got the power of the cradle, the ultimate warrior with unlimited power.
-Vivio gets naked
Quattro: There there your majesty, you can't cry like that all the time. Nanoha mama is waiting for you to save her. And the scary devil there is the one who took away your mama. Do you best in taking her out, and save your real mama. Your majesty's body has the power just for this. Listen to your heart's voice and release this power.
-Vivio transforms
Quattro: If you can stop this child, maybe this cradle can also stop? Now, mother and daughter, kill each other.

Quattro is the first really evil, really nasty villain Nanoha has. For that, she has my respect.

[Chaos2Frozen]

Originally Posted by Tormenk

Come to think of it, Vivio is the activation key of the Cradle, but is she in actual control of the ship? Or is it the Doctor and Quattro?

It's most likely the latter, either that or the ship's on autopilot.

Originally Posted by X207

i think vivio is bound to be saved by nanoha abd revert to her younger form.

Cross my fingers.

Originally Posted by Ultima_Rasengan05

plot hole perhaps?
maybe originally Vivio is the "power source" of the ship and its just on auto-pilot mode towards TSAB.
Now I'm just wondering whether Vivio is being controlled by Quattro or not in her current form.

Vivio is just the power source.

And technically, she is sort of controlled by Quattro, but not against her will...

... I suppose 'manipulated' is the better word.

Originally Posted by Ultima_Rasengan05

Anyways, maybe the reason why she reverted to this form was because it had to do with something that Jail did to her when she got captured?
I mean I do remember Jail holding a certain relic in his hand for Vivio to be experimented on in one of the previous episodes...now that would suck for Lutecia if thats Relic#11.

If I'm not wrong, Quattro hurt Vivio badly enough for her to go into combat mode as a defense, releasing the Saint King's full power.

Originally Posted by Ultima_Rasengan05

I'm all in for Vivio being stuck in Teenage form if she gets rescued by Nanoha...BTW though, does this episode show Vivio's device for this form?

Why assume she even needs a device?

[Fabien]

Originally Posted by Chaos2Frozen

Why assume she even needs a device?

If anything, the Relic she has in her body can take the role of her device.

[Tormenk]

Relics: the specialized devices of Seiou Family? If not, though not really that important at this point, Jail better provide a answer through his mad ravings in ep 24, at least to give a closure to the question of what Relics REALLY are.

[Kha]

ARGH! Vivio, just die already! Its for the good of the series; WE NEED MORE EMO TO SAVE THE BULL PLOT!

*runs from hail of NxF bricks*

[arkhangelsk]

At this point, my feelings w/ Vivio are 50-50. I personally want her to die for ruining Season 3, but I figure that if she lives, she'd be a heroine for any possible 4th season. And if they [care enough to DEVELOP her instead of SHAFTING yet another heroine, this is an acceptable ending to me too.

[Chaos2Frozen]

Originally Posted by Kha

ARGH! Vivio, just die already! Its for the good of the series; WE NEED MORE EMO TO SAVE THE BULL PLOT!

*runs from hail of NxF bricks*

"No grave could be deep enough...!"

[/Black Sabbath]

[krisslanza]

Heeeeey only I do the brick throwing thing... And only at Chaos :P

And yeah. Man Quattro sounds pretty evil D: Dunno if I'd label her more evil then Precia though.

[Tormenk]

Precia was insane or crazy or driven by her desire to resurrect Alicia to do do the wrong thing.
The rest of the Numbers serve Jail as they see him as their creator and giving them life, obeying his commands and carrying out his instructions out of gratitude and loyalty. Dieci for example. She was reluctant about the whole Vivio affair but carried on with her assigned duty so as "not to trouble her sisters".

As I see it, Quattro goes beyond merely obeying Jail's commands. She's enjoying it probably as much Jail would if he was there, seeing Nanoha pitted against the very person she swore to protect, Vivio.

[Chaos2Frozen]

Originally Posted by krisslanza

Heeeeey only I do the brick throwing thing... And only at Chaos :P

That really makes me feel all so special deep down inside...

Originally Posted by krisslanza

And yeah. Man Quattro sounds pretty evil D: Dunno if I'd label her more evil then Precia though.

*Shrugged*

[krisslanza]

I have two things to say about Teana's fight scene:
"HEADSHOT!"
"HEADSHOT!"
"DOUBLE KILL!"

I forget if it'd say double kill or just multikill...

[iamandragon]

Originally Posted by Tormenk

Relics: the specialized devices of Seiou Family? If not, though not really that important at this point, Jail better provide a answer through his mad ravings in ep 24, at least to give a closure to the question of what Relics REALLY are.

Oh relic is just the power source for the Belka Royals. The Belka Royals modify their bodies into a being of a weapon. They need no device as they don't use magic(that's why they can fight to their full capacity in the AMF).

Think of the Signum and Vita's device, the body of the royals are equivalent of those and their magic cartilages are relics.

[Fabien]

Originally Posted by Tormenk

Precia was insane or crazy

Do you think Quattro is sane?

[Tormenk]

Teana just pawned Deed's head for 100 gold!

Teana pawned Wendi's head for a extra 125 gold!

DOUBLE KILL!

Sorry, just had to do it when krisslanza mentioned double kill

[Keroko]

Originally Posted by Tormenk

Relics: the specialized devices of Seiou Family? If not, though not really that important at this point, Jail better provide a answer through his mad ravings in ep 24, at least to give a closure to the question of what Relics REALLY are.

I don't see why they have too. We never really found out what Jewel Seeds were either. /shrug.

Originally Posted by Kha

ARGH! Vivio, just die already! Its for the good of the series; WE NEED MORE EMO TO SAVE THE BULL PLOT!

*runs from hail of NxF bricks*

*aura of doom* The NXF bricks are safe compared to the ICB that's aimed at your head....

[Burner of Anime]

Originally Posted by Tormenk

Teana just pawned Deed's head for 100 gold!

Teana pawned Wendi's head for a extra 125 gold!

DOUBLE KILL!

Sorry, just had to do it when krisslanza mentioned double kill

How will Teana translate as a DOTA avatar?

Probably have Windwalk and Mirror Image to reflect her stealth and deception skills. Then Trueshot Aura [or sniper] for her l33t headsmacking skills and Starfall to show up her X-Fire shot.

This is already all manner of nasty Means someone should put her in

Anyway, I figured the writers were not about to screw the girl over because of the plot. As a matter of redemption for the messy beginning they had her clean house with style- not with a 10km death sphere like Nanoha or Hayate .

[Fabien]

Originally Posted by Keroko

Quattro is the first really evil, really nasty villain Nanoha has. For that, she has my respect.

But can one take Quattro seriously, with such a ridiculous hairstyle?

[Jimmy C]

Originally Posted by keroko

I don't see why they have too. We never really found out what Jewel Seeds were either.

But in seasons 1 and 2, we did find out why the Lost Logias in questions were Bad News. That was enough.
We don't even know that much about the Relics. If they'd just said something like "Each Relic grants its holder unique abilities" then showed one or two such abilities, that would have been enough for me.