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as for Makoto, yes Sekai is indeed a factor, but does it make the mistake equal to his idiocy? I beg to differ: Makoto is simply superficial, and can't overcome his horminal rage. I'm even wondering if Makoto wouldn't be attracted by Sekai even if she didn't kiss him or the like. (play the game, and you can tell how his twisted mind can lead you to...) You do realize that many couples can be fine, while both persons are seducted by other persons as well? how so? well simply because they have WILLPOWER. and High school isn't a fair arguement here, because even if guys at that period have hard time to deal with hormones and the like, it require basic COMMON sense to actually care of the other's feelings ans so forth. The worst thing is episode 5, Makoto having no guilt despite Sekai repeats he already has kotonoha. Makoto lives only with his present desire, and doesn't see anything in the middle and long term.
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2007-08-06, 08:12 | Link #22 | |
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you really need to pay more attention to the story in that case...makato and hiroki have nothing in common even with their give similar promises (wTH even that line is a lie he has nothing in common with this sulg...) Spoiler for canvas 2:
there just isnt any comparing for makoto as in his case he is a total jerk...i think the only person who would even come close to a slight comparison is taka from kimi nozomu ~
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2007-08-06, 08:56 | Link #23 |
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My posts were nothing more than what I force myself to believe so that I could continue watching this anime. Please don't think that I'm trying to change your opinions, because I am not. It's just my own unique view of things because I always want to cut the main character some slack.
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2007-08-06, 12:02 | Link #25 | |
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Ah the boys just a danger because unlike his moron friend he doesn't just stop at thinking with his d*** and ogling women...He takes it that step further. Passion and craving physical intimacy can be a beautiful thing if its backed by love, but I think that concepts abit too advanced for makoto right now hah. For now I think his emotional maturity level is around the "OMG BEWBZ" point. I'd love for his character to experience some growth during the series and shed his less admirable traits, but from the tone of everyone on this board it doesn't feel like thats going to happen.
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2007-08-06, 16:52 | Link #27 |
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My only hope for Motoko at this point is that he does go through a period of growth where he starts to think about others feelings and not just his own. It would be pretty boring if he stayed the same way through the series and destroy my faith in man
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2007-08-06, 18:26 | Link #29 |
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I don't mean that though, of course he'll have to redeem himself...somehow.
Just that I've grown a bit tired of leads acting like utter douches throughout the entire story, and then because they get one thing right at the end, we're meant to think they're amazing, and everyone moves on, and they're all friends and happy after ever. A little too unrealistic, methinks. Not that I want a sad ending, I'm mostly complaining about the common leads, I guess, but I gotta admit we've been getting some decent ones lately; of course, Makoto is down there with the worst... @Deathkillz - Tear is amazing. I'm playing ToTA, my first playthrough, but I plan to go on to unknown and do everything. Tear and Jade are my favourite characters, for different reasons. Jade's such an ass he's just hilarious.
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Yes, it looks extremely stupid, but many persons just can't withstand the desire, and just jump at the occasion(s), even if they heart belong to someone else, and this is of course, mainly a man's problem. I don't pretend that men, even in love, are weak enough to get tempted by any gorgeous figure, but reasons behind "cheating" are most of the time of that type. The problem i see here is basically that Makoto is hardly in love with any of the 2 girls. maybe having more affinities with Sekai, but without the training, things would turn a bit differently. Quote:
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Episode 4 was enough: he didn't really have romantic feelings for sekai first, and became horny during this training. Of course, the training wasn't really innoncent, but OTOH, he just followed his desires, and didn't think of his current situation, nor the possible aftermath, until his cellphone rang.
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Of course, in real life, it's hard to find a girl actually seducing you unless you somehow worked to get there in which case it'd be your fault - but my point still stands. Basically, although this is an awful generalization, it's not too odd for men to cheat for sexual desires, while when girls cheat they do it, for the most part, when they're unhappy with their current partner. It can be justified or not, but that's how I think it is. Quote:
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2007-08-07, 07:17 | Link #34 |
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If would be pretty hard for Makoto to make amends, since he did this willingly and was completely aware of the consequences. It wasn't a spur of the moment thing, he knew what he was doing, and he knew how his current girlfriend would react if she'd find out. It is inexcusable. Whether or not he loves Sekai, it really makes no differences as to whether or not his actions were justifiable. Saying stuff like "I don't care about her anymore", makes me wonder if he's got a conscience at all.
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2007-08-07, 09:04 | Link #35 | |
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2007-08-07, 17:37 | Link #36 |
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Well, I am seriously thinking now that he never care about any of those girls or their feelings. I mean he has a good g/f in Kotonoha but he never really like her, he was just lusting for her and that was it. He was just using Sekai for his own means but he never have true feelings for her either. I dont think he never care about any of the other girls what so ever. I can finally see why that he is one of the worst or maybe the worst anime character that was ever created.
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2007-08-07, 22:38 | Link #37 |
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Um, pardon me, but what disguishes a playboy (Like those guys who you see sleeping with plenty of girls and every girl likes him) and a **** like Makato? Because unlike 99% of all males in shonen anime. He isnt sexually incompetant.
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2007-08-08, 07:23 | Link #38 | |
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I don't know where you're going with this, no one hates Makoto because he's sexually competent, that's a ridiculous postulation. He's hated because of his inconsiderate/stupid actions, and his apparent indifference to anyone else's feelings. This isn't a shonen anime either, in any event. :<
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2007-08-08, 08:01 | Link #39 | |
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Makoto's clueless and socially incompetent, and couldn't possibly attract good or even stupid girls. Kotonoha and Sekai aren't exactly dumb broads, so it's quite unrealistic for them to be with someone as worthless as Makoto. Makoto isn't even sexually competent, he's a perverted little kid who is overexcited about sex.
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2007-08-08, 14:51 | Link #40 |
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Playboys are the type of characters that sweet talk dumb girls into having sex. Makoto's just an idiot that has no common sense when it comes to sex, nor has any idea what kind of a mess he's made for himself. Sekai hasn't helped much on the matter either.
Honestly, Makoto's the type of person I yell at for being an idiot.
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