2012-09-13, 16:27 | Link #482 |
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No, I'm not reaching.
My point is that the title alone does not rule out this being a flashy action show, so it's perfectly understandable that some viewers would get the wrong impression from the 1st PV. There's nothing I wrote about Madoka Magica that's clearly inaccurate. Madoka Magica is widely regarded (including by many knowledgeable fans of Madoka Magica) as a deconstruction of the magical girl genre.
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2012-09-13, 16:36 | Link #484 | |||
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Look, either way, you're ignoring that the production staff seem to WANT people to get the wrong idea.
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Widely regarded so by trolls who want to get a rise out of people who disliked it, yes. |
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2012-09-13, 16:41 | Link #486 | |
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Granted, if one doesn't understand the meaning of the title or know the word chuunibyou then it is certainly possible to misinterpret, but on the other hand I should think any such person who became that hyped at the first PV that they'd be "disappointed" when learning the real premise should have at least bothered do to the ten seconds of research needed to figure it out in the first place. So yeah, anyone being disappointed at this point only have themselves to blame.
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2012-09-13, 16:43 | Link #487 |
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I don't see any problem with the long PV. If someone goes to watch this thinking it will be a Shanaclone, good for them, nobody cares. For the rest of the audience, the PV is good enough.
And no, premise is not important. Those shows you mentioned earlier were well-received because things other than their premise. Madoka - it turned its premise upside down in three episodes F/Z, SAO, S;G - wish fulfilment and the female leads There may be other reasons, but people only come into the cinema talking about the premise. They come out talking about a character, a scene, or the message conveyed in the movie. The premise is just a vehicle and should not be taken seriously by anyone, when it's obvious that what makes fiction good at face-value are the characters and the power of the climax scenes. |
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2012-09-13, 16:49 | Link #490 | |
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Anyway, Chuu2Koi's premise is "a boy who used to be a delusional nutjob meets a girl who is still a delusional nutjob, and she ruins his peaceful normal life via her delusional nutjobbery." Nothing more than that. But a few minutes poking around on Google will get you information about the true nature of the production. Even going through this very thread will get you said information. |
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PMMM isn't just grimdark in a straight-up blood and gore way. It's very conceptually dark, as it turns the magical girl role completely on its head. I'd say more, but then we'd be getting into serious spoilers for another anime, and drag this thread too off-topic. If you want to discuss this further, then please bring it to PMs.
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2012-09-13, 17:00 | Link #493 | |
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Sure, the show takes the standard Magical Girl setup and twists the hell out of it, but ultimately it affirms the core tenets of the genre. Thats the entire point of the show!
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2012-09-13, 17:05 | Link #495 |
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The people that can't see the first PV as the parody it really is are just stupid.
And no, Kyoani shouldn't aim to please the stupid in every single little thing there is. I appreciate when a show assumes its audience is intelligent and doesn't spoonfed itself; in the same vein, the trailer is made so that anyone with two eyes can see that it is not serious. If someone doesn't see it, it's their own fault, not the studio's. There's the argument about the sales viewpoint, but whether they want to sell or not is only up to the producers and shouldn't modify the enjoyment of what they produce. |
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The premise is very important.
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If Kaisos is right, and if the PV is intentionally misleading, then that's on the PV at least as much as it is on the people who are mislead by it.
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2012-09-13, 17:31 | Link #497 |
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I'm not sure if you know the accepted definition of "premise".
Madoka's premise was "A girl is turned magical by a furfag" S;G's premise is "Some guys invent a time machine in their spare time and find out about a conspiracy" F/Z is something along the lines of "There is a tournament held every X years where mages fight. See the fight of two particular guys" That alone is not important, and does not change anything by itself. The shows need to have endearing or interesting characters, a good pace, world-building of some sort, strong climatic scenes, a coherent narrative or if it lacks coherency, an overwhelmingly emotional narrative. There are some more arcane ways a show can be well regarded popularly or critically, but that's the gist of it. In my case, I think what separates similar shows is the technical execution- that is, the direction, animation, and script nuances. The premise, plot outline or underlying message are the least relevant factors when deciding the perceived quality or enjoyment of a show. This is why I'm somewhat looking forward to this show; Kyoani has shown that they can take simple, irrelevant premises and make something ten times better out of it. Ishihara is also creative with humour, and the experience of Nichijou probably served to improve his comedic timing (I hope). And most of all, the studio shines when it comes to doing emotional scenes, and if this show is going to have an "end" of sorts, I expect some climax to occur. Just because it has a chuuni heroine and is a romantic comedy isn't reason enough to get someone bashing or praising this, hence the premise is unimportant. |
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What are earlier examples of the eyepatch meme? I think of it as a classic moe meme: damaged girl needs protection. Are there other aspects? EDIT: This thread is really roaring. By the time I got around to posting, the post I'm replying to was already most of a page away.
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2012-09-13, 18:20 | Link #499 |
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There is an argument to be made that if a PV is intentionally misleading people then that isn't justified necessarily since a PV is supposed to clue in its audience on what the actual content is.
However, I thought the PV was actually very accurate about its content and I'm confused how so many people got confused by the preview anyways. When I first watched it I got the distinct impression that the characters were engaging in crazy delusional fantasies, and that is without having read the synopsis. Just look how theatrical the characters are at some points where they're doing poses and the like. It's either a fantasy or the cheesiest action show ever . Furthermore there's a distinct comedic feel to it throughout the PV. Anyways the only people in the West who are going to be watching these previews are people who are going out of their way to see what's coming out in Japan ahead of time. Seeing as we also have a synopsis, which isn't hard to find at all, there shouldn't be an excuse of "time" used here. Most otaku in general in Japan do their research as well. The casuals? I doubt they're going to even be seeing the previews and at best might just filter in when the show finally airs.
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2012-09-13, 18:50 | Link #500 |
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It's pretty clear to me that the "misleading" PV, as well as the chuuni-character descriptions, are parts of the joke. If they really intend to mislead people, Ishihara himself won't say out loud in the interview like that. Not to mention, as others pointed out, that the title is very clear about it. You're supposed to watch the action scene and laugh it off for how out of place it is. I think it's like Mikuru Episode 00. You're not suppose to watch it and expect a silly romantic comedy for the rest of the show. It's just the stuff having fun in an elaborate joke.
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