2012-05-12, 21:06 | Link #8221 | |
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2012-05-13, 01:28 | Link #8224 |
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I wonder if Iwan for some reason comes and interrupts... That way we may see a glimpse of what he can do.
But if Iwan will show up it would most likely to watch the fun show... Edit: I want for Natsu to have a battle against Miliana to see his ultimate move "Kitty in pain" again. Just imagine Natsu's battle is against Miliana and he pulls out a cat mask out of nowhere. Last edited by DarkSkiper; 2012-05-13 at 03:23. |
2012-05-13, 10:24 | Link #8225 |
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Hnn, a battle against Miliana...
I wouldn't mind getting Marshmellow Hell'ed from Miliana now... If there wasn't any reason to like cat girls before, there's one now. But then again, Thundercats might have helped with that particular 'particularity' oh so long ago...
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2012-05-13, 12:40 | Link #8226 | |
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Altho I'm actually like to see someone like Laxus step in, think it would be a good chance to show him being more responsible now. And also Laxus knows how to make a entrance
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2012-05-13, 12:43 | Link #8227 | |
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2012-05-13, 13:02 | Link #8228 |
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Hmm... Laxus may react the same way as Natsu if he finds out the reason for Natsu's rampage, Gajeel would find it amusing to join for fun, Makarov will definitely react the same way Natsu did(if not more).
Well that just my opinion. As Natsu is right now there are few who can stop him, so I think the only way to stop him is to: a) Beat him unconscious. b) Wait until he kicks Gemma's ass. c.1) Show him Lucy's boobs... c.2) Watch Lucy beat up Happy for suggesting that. |
2012-05-13, 13:05 | Link #8229 | |
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Laxus? I would love to see him flip but remember that he had a similar mentality of "The weak should leave the guild" not that long ago. |
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2012-05-13, 17:08 | Link #8232 |
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I don't get why Sabertooth has to take all this flak about how they treat their members.
Sure, they humiliated and kicked out Yukino without batting an eye, but that's just their way of doing things. The important thing here is that each member knew what they were getting into when they first joined the guild. The problem here stems from preconceived notions on what a guild "should be". It's all well and good that FT views a guild as a happy place its where members get along, but it's also just as possible for a guild with Darwinist ideologies to pop out. After all, it's quite a practical way of doing things. It's apples and oranges, so why would you apply your values to a culture where it doesn't necessarily apply? In anime/manga, you often find villains with the "the strong live, the weak die" philosophy in mind, but generally come of as unsympathetic because of how they attempt to impose such values to other people. However, this case with Sabertooth is different since the philosophy is only applied within the guild where everyone should already be well familiar with it. Why should we judge them when they already accept and live by that philosophy? If not, what are they still doing in the guild? All that said, I will agree that Yukino's punishment was excessive, but I think it could be better seen as a huge warning sign to the readers that Sabertooth is EVIL, with the capital letters. Of course, knowing the genre of this work, prying deeper into this would probably be a waste of time.
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2012-05-13, 17:43 | Link #8233 | ||
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Even then they don't treat everyone equally given with what happened with Sting and his loss, he gets off alot easier than Yukino. Don't think anyone is saying Yukino shouldn't have been kicked out for losing if thats how Sabertooth handles that then fine but how they did it is what they get flak for. And I don't particularly see it as saying Sabertooth is EVIL, just a bunch of ass jerks, much like Phantom Lord. I could probably say some of this does stem from preconceived notions on what a guild "should be" but you expect a offically recognized guild to act better. They don't need to be all chummy or knights in white armour but at least decent people.
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2012-05-13, 18:08 | Link #8234 | |
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Huh. You got me there.
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But I realized that it was their guild's way of doing things. I'm sure everyone in that guild had already come to accept the guild's philosophy and culture, so they should already know the consequences that go with failure. If they were in the guild against their will it would be an entirely different matter, but I see no signs of that being the case as of yet. As such, they already have their own set off rules to follow, so they don't need some other guild muscling in and telling them how they should do things. Compare this with people of different religions trying to convert each other. Let's look at it this way, Sabertooth is considered to be the strongest guild, so its pride mandates that it should maintain this title indefinitely. From a practical standpoint, Yukino's punishment serves as a deterrent for anyone who should fail to meet the guild's expectations. It's a primitive tactic, but often an effective one. Don't forget that Sting is part of the guild's "strongest five", so he would obviously deserve preferential treatment over Yukino, who is just a replacement member, especially given the guild's Darwinist ideals. Also, the main reason for Yukino's punishment was not because she lost, but rather because she gambled her life and still lost. Those are two different things.
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2012-05-13, 18:58 | Link #8235 | |
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Each guild has their own laws, it is perfectly fine. If she had just received a gkick for losing I wouldn't bat and eyelash, hell I've been and know of plenty of sports teams that do that...you fail and your out and that's how they keep the teams strong (supposedly). But the big problem lays in the pure humiliation they put her through, it's against human rights and just...basic decency. No matter the reason, making the girl strip like that in front of a room full of men, in front of the guild she viewed so highly is just despicable. And did she really know how the guild really worked? Did she really know that the master was capable of doing that? That the other guild members would standby doing nothing? Remember that Yukino said she only joined the guild recently. Before joining she likely wouldn't have heard about things like that happening because it's just not something they would show the public (at best she probably would have heard about someone being kicked for failing a mission or something). And since she joined only recently, again, at best she probably only saw someone kicked without the humiliation. Look at the reactions of the so called strongest 5, even they were not pleased with how extreme their master was in dealing with Yukino. You say she knew what she was getting herself into...but you don't know that for sure. She most likely just viewed Sabertooth as a great and strong guild, idolizing it without knowing how evil (lack of a better word) they can be (some members at least) |
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2012-05-13, 19:12 | Link #8236 | ||
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Once again, I reiterate that all my statements were made under the assumption that Yukino joined and stayed at the guild of her own free will.
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2012-05-13, 19:43 | Link #8237 | ||
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Might be taking a bit extreme, but let's take a rapist. Let's say he was raised in an environment where he ended up believing that rape was a good thing and morally correct. His victims think otherwise, they are abused and forced to do something they viewed as wrong. Just because the rapist views it as right, should he go unpunished? You might say that Yukino wasn't forced to strip, she could have walked away. But is that really true? Not everyone is strong willed enough to handle such a situation. She was distraught by her loss already and told by an intimidating man to strip in front of a room full of people she seemed to respect, but no one even tried to help her, they just stared at her. A room of people staring at you and after you believe to have let them down. Can you imagine the pressure that she was under? Quote:
If you idolize something, you tend to ignore its faults. She idolized ST, she probably didn't know about how extreme the master could be and the little bad rumors here and there could have easily be dismissed. Do you believe ST would get the overwhelming support of the people in the tournament if Yukino's humiliating scene was shown to everyone? Certainly not. Is it her fault for joining the guild without knowing their true philosophy (assuming she didn't and I doubt very much she did) and extreme punishments? It could be argued that...yes it is. Then again you can't really know how the guild truly works away from the public eye until you actually join them. Kinda like, you may be dating someone for a while, but you never know that person's true habits at home until you move in together. Many relationships end at this point because of how different and incompatible people can be when living together (when away from the public eye) |
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I personally disagree with Sabertooth as much as everyone else, but Natsu's reaction struck me as even more distasteful. Quote:
Rape is wrong because it is stipulated by society's laws. Laws are created with the survival of society in mind, and rape poses a threat to the stability of society. If anyone doesn't agree with a society's ethics, they are free to leave it whenever they wish, or maybe change it from the inside. Choosing to stay means you have to follow its rules. Quote:
Let me put it this way: Would you join a religion you didn't believe in? If you find yourself not believing in the religion anymore, why would you still affiliate yourself with it (assuming no force is used)? While not really related, FT is an easy guild to figure out. What about any person who joins FT thinking that they're a bunch of brutes who seek nothing more than destruction? Are you saying such a character wouldn't be at fault for being ignorant?
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2012-05-14, 00:36 | Link #8240 | ||
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So Yukino expected punishment, knew expulsion was one of the possible punishments. She did not expect to be expelled for a first offense, nor was she prepared for how deliberately degrading the punishment was. Or the way Gemma handed out said punishment as though he wasn't going to expel her, then went ahead and expelled her. |
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