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View Poll Results: Shin Sekai Yori - Episode 15 Rating | |||
Perfect 10 | 9 | 20.00% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 19 | 42.22% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 12 | 26.67% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 5 | 11.11% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 0 | 0% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 0 | 0% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 0 | 0% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 0 | 0% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 0 | 0% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 0 | 0% | |
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2013-01-14, 03:15 | Link #62 | |
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2013-01-14, 05:26 | Link #65 |
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We are quick to put the Queerats in the villain role because Squealer is a manipulative little bastard and he is using our protagonists, but are they really in the wrong?
In my opinion they have every right to rebel against the humans. They are basically slaves, forced to do humiliating jobs and stripped of every human right. They are an intelligent species and should be granted freedom. What they did to the Queen is akin to overthrowing an insane absolute monarch and establish a democracy. Sure, keeping her restrained to be used as a breeding factory is despicable but it can't be helped if she's their only means of reproduction. If there will be a revolution, I am rooting for the Queerats.
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2013-01-14, 05:54 | Link #67 | |
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2013-01-14, 07:33 | Link #69 | |
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BUT OMG UR WRONG SATORU WOULD TOTALLY BEAT SAKI IN A BATTLE
Huge blasts of power, etc. is something they're all capable of, apparently on a relatively similar level, with only personal factors marking a difference (such as speed of reaction, level of visualization, etc). As Tomiko said, each person is essentially a potential WMD. What makes one more powerful than another is not as much the extent of their power but the level of control they have over it. Look at what they're learning in school: things that require fine and delicate control. (In ep 8 Saki keeps failing to repair a bottle, while Satoru is commended by Kaburagi Shisei on his mirror which he says is a difficult task.) And the level of control they're capable of influences how well they're able to use their power. (For example, at one point a character changes the direction of the wind, and Satoru is like "aw hell, I'll never be able to do something like this...") Quote:
And what would happen then? I think mass destruction of both parties is not really worth it... |
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2013-01-14, 07:54 | Link #70 |
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If a total war breaks out between these two factions, especially if the Queercats get a hold of a human and get him/her under control then its pretty much gonna end with both races annihilating each other.
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2013-01-14, 10:09 | Link #72 |
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I also don't really see the Queerats as villains, per se. Squealer certainly acts the role, but I can see where he has good, practical reasons for doing and saying what he does. And the other Queerats are acting in ways that make sense for their own survival.
That being said, Saki and Satoru are clearly the protagonists of this work, and they're easy characters to get behind and root for. And so I will.
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2013-01-14, 10:59 | Link #73 |
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One thing that struck me here was how Saki was starting to question the concept of absolute morality. She was already going down the path of questioning whether humanity's habit of imposing their own ethics onto everyone and everything led to many of the problems society is facing now, not any less of that the potential threat the Queerats are likely to pose to the now limited and wavering human society.
It's already looking like a clash of two human-like societies: The powerful but conservative and fewer Old Humanity (Cantus users) versus the low intellect but progressive and numerous New Humanity (Queerrats).
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2013-01-14, 13:29 | Link #74 |
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I too think there is no villain or hero in this show. Its not that shallow that you can just point a finger at someone and say they are the villain. Everyone has perfectly good or reasonable reasons to do the things that they do.
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2013-01-14, 14:07 | Link #75 |
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Do you realize you are imposing your human worldview onto everything when you reduce this to an "old humans vs new humans" conflict? This isn't about homo sapiens versus homo sapiens psionicus (that conflict is already settled), it isn't even about old ape vs. new ape, this is a conflict between very different mammal species, Homo sapiens psionicus vs. Talpa caeca sapiens.
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2013-01-14, 15:34 | Link #78 | |
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If anything, the human society of Shin Sekai Yori is pragmatic to a fault. It makes moral compromises to the point that it will kill its own young over the slightest of concerns or "red flags". If someone was to make an argument in favor of moral absolutes, "It's wrong to kill children" wouldn't be a bad place to start. I can only think of a small handful of moral values that are more commonly held than that one is. The human society of Shin Sekai Yori is hardly one based on the importance of morality. If anything, it's about putting the safety and security and sustainability of "the whole" first, above any and all other concerns, including moral ones. What I took from what Saki said is that Tomiko is getting to her, and that Saki is starting to gradually trade in youthful idealism (with the fervent moral convictions that often accompanies it) for the strict pragmatism represented by her world. Yes, Saki is starting to question her personal moral values... and I'm not sure that's a good thing. I can see both sides of the argument here. The human society in Shin Sekai Yori is a very stratified and heavily regulated one, but we shouldn't mistake that for one that's very concerned with morality for its own sake. It's much more like Orwell's 1984, where strict control is an end unto itself.
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2013-01-14, 16:35 | Link #79 | ||
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Fun fact: bakenezumi have a canon scientific name (well, a suggestion, anyway).
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If you remove the PK from Shinsekai yori the basic idea is: how can you achieve a peaceful utopia, knowing human nature? by creating a dystopia. |
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