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View Poll Results: Hanasaku Iroha - Episode 25 Rating | |||
Perfect 10 | 17 | 31.48% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 17 | 31.48% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 13 | 24.07% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 3 | 5.56% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 3 | 5.56% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 1 | 1.85% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 0 | 0% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 0 | 0% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 0 | 0% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 0 | 0% | |
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2011-09-18, 16:25 | Link #21 |
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I wonder who's summon Satsuki to come in right time.... lol
looks like even thought the movie was cut off, at least it has some effect to Satsuki's life (and maybe Ko) yeah... it's irritating to see the Kissuiso's member only work for themselves.. Thanks to Nako for changing the atmosphere... I'm glad I can see Madam Manager's lots of smile in this episode... she's scary in early episode the best scene would be when Sui-Satsuki-Ohana work together as waitress also, anyone saw Koichi??? I'm expecting a romantic Bonbori between them but looks like it won't happen (I was trolled then) Last edited by ~Yami~; 2011-09-18 at 16:42. |
2011-09-18, 16:32 | Link #22 |
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Just to be clear: I'm not saying that I'd hand the Inn over to Ohana if I was in Sui's shoes, just that I could see Sui doing that.
Keep in mind that Sui had little if any managerial experience when she took over the Inn herself. As she said, her and her husband built it up from nothing. My impression is that Ohana has won Sui over big-time (this is partly due to how Ohana sided with Sui on the Bonbori Festival - Ohana may not have realized it at the time, but she was perceived as taking Sui's side there, by everybody). I think that Sui sees a lot of herself in Ohana.
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2011-09-18, 16:36 | Link #23 |
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Agreed. As usual I tend to have the opposite reaction to any given HanaIro ep from most of the viewers. This was decent, but second-tier. The drama felt manufactured and overwrought, and Okada's insistence on gleefully emasculating her male characters is really tiresome. But the ep was almost salvaged by the lovely scenes of Sui working together with Ohana and Satsuki.
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2011-09-18, 17:15 | Link #24 | |
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There's also the fact that the challenges of starting from scratch aren't the same as those of taking over. Sui's only employee at first was Beanman, who chose to follow them. If Ohana was to take over, she'd have to deal with the resentment from Enishi and Takako, and everyone except Jiromaru and maybe Nako thinking they know better than her about every issue. And might not be shy about telling her to her face, in public. |
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2011-09-18, 17:52 | Link #25 |
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Just when Enishi is beginning to look cool in my eyes. Suddenly, emasculation!
Keep it classy, HanaIro, keep it classy. That aside, this criticism of him is unfounded. He made the best decisions he could make with the resources he had. A buffet style breakfast to allow more time to prep the later meals, good idea. Featuring work by local artists, not shabby. He broke up the argument when it started. These are the kinds of compromises and decisions you need to make when you run a business, even hospitality. Some might not like change, but then there will also be those inconvenienced by the status quo being inefficient. Is Hanasaku Iroha telling us to stick with tradition even when it only holds us back? But Ohana comes in with her usual sentimental, inarticulate claptrap and suddenly Enishi's such a dolt and Ohana is so brilliant and competent. I'd like to see her in a management position for just a few hours. Or her mother with her commitment problems and general aloofness, that'll really play over well with guests. Tl;DR Enishi is incompetent not because Enishi is incompetent, but because the plot demands it. The writer has it out to make him a boob even when there is no justification for doing so. Curiously enough, everything seems to go swimmingly for other's ideas even when there's no rational explanation for the discrepancy. I'm watching this show eyes rolled at this point. I'm just so irked by this episode that I doubt I can even bring myself to enjoy the romantic resolution, as awkward and hamfisted as I'm sure it will be. |
2011-09-18, 18:10 | Link #26 | ||
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It's foolish for a typically low-active Inn to take on max reservations for a long period of time before first determining if they really have the capacity (re: staff) to handle that. Sui instinctively knew that they didn't. Enishi didn't even bother to consider the question. Also, Enishi has lived in this town for a long time now. He should know what a big deal the Bonbori Festival is, and how each Inn/Hotel is expected to help with its preparations. I mean, this is basic stuff. Yes, Enishi has some decent ideas for tweaking the Inn a bit, and making it the most that it can be, but he really is a poor mid-to-long term planner. Quote:
Worker morale is important, you know. And Enishi's approach was absolutely destroying worker morale. How long do you expect workers to make due on 3 to 4 hours of sleep per night? It's actually a minor miracle that things didn't go worse than they did. The staff of the Kissuiso are one very hard-working and generally competent bunch (at their own specific positions).
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2011-09-18, 18:12 | Link #27 |
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Enishi deserved better than he got this episode. To be slapped in front of his staff by his idiot wife when he finally shows the spine to stand up to his domineering sister and mother? The message from Okada seems to be, “Know your place in my world, Boy. This is what happens if you pathetic males try and overreach yourselves.”
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2011-09-18, 18:19 | Link #28 | |
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He's basically the only named male character left that's avoided this, lol.
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Eh. Morale was still high. Everyone was motivated to "save the inn". Even if that motivation took them to strange places. |
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2011-09-18, 18:47 | Link #31 | |
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Also, we can see how the buffet approach was creating divisions between the cooking staff (Mr. Ren, Tohru, Minchi - all nicely arranged on one side of the room) and the waitress/cleaning staff (Tomoe, Nako - nicely arranged on the other side of the room). Minchi snapping off at Nako there was a clear sign that the situation was going bad.
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2011-09-18, 19:05 | Link #32 |
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I always assumed that message behind the slap was "stop letting your inferiority complex get in the way of doing what needs to be done", but that's just me. Edit: As for Tohru, I didn't like him much initially but his goofball moments won me over - I now ship him and Minko simply because of the look on her face when he does stuff like write love on freaking sashimi or say he wants five kids. I think his agreement to the kidnapping plan was probably the turning point.
Felt this episode was pretty solid if not up to the high bar set by episodes such as 20 and the last couple. I'm wondering if the "must kissuisou change?" thread that features so strongly in this episode is going to end up paralleling Ohana's story in the last episode - not quite sure how they intend to wrap this one off. P.S. Nice view of Tomoe's legs on that landing, does she wear her kimono the traditional way?
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2011-09-18, 19:18 | Link #33 | |
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This episode was obviously Okada's thoughts on having to write the Kenshin remake. But in any case, it was a good episode. Sometimes there is no point in trying to defy the obvious, and Sui was right in that overextending themselves would end up no good. Don't think about winning or losing, that's the wrong thing to worry about! I'm a bit mixed on Nako's "I love Kissuo speech", was I supposed to take thay seriously? But brilliant end btw where everyone helps. A nice tune plays as they head outside, looking at the beautiful scenery which is the remaints of this show's budget while we wonder how this will all end. I also liked it when they were so tired, they starting falling asleep. Minko in particular fainting during class is pretty reminiscent of me in school,
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2011-09-18, 19:50 | Link #36 |
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I don't think she's a general misandrist. It's hard to tell if Enishi is a attempt to create a lovable dweeb gone awry or just her wanting a chew toy character though. Jiromaru is clearly a personal troll directed at her former coworker Yamakan, and the crossdressing stuff isn't so much misandry as just one of those things girls who like anime think is moe. I mean, my girlfriend digs that stuff, keeps trying to convince me to crossdress as Hitagi.
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2011-09-18, 19:52 | Link #37 | |
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A misandrist, writing Kenshin? I shudder at the thought.
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2011-09-18, 19:54 | Link #38 |
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Nako said what i was feeling through the whole first half of the ep. Glad Takako slapped some sense into Enishi. Nice to see Sui work again. Interesting that Satsuki helped out as well. Where was Kou though. Oh well looks like Ohana will tell him her feelings. Hope Sui doesn't pass away though.
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It's inarticulate in the sense that people seem to be patting Ohana on the back for answering concrete problems with more or less formless solutions and concerns. Hell, Tohru points out time and time again that Ohana's strength is in her mindless energy, yet people really expect her to be able to run an inn to a higher calibre than her uncle? I can accept that Sui or even Satsuki are more gifted at this (and we haven't seen evidence that Satsuki has good managerial skills, just that she can spot a rather big rat coming) but that can't be serious. Quote:
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We've got to be cognizant of the subliminal (and not so subliminal) messages that a piece of media is feeding us and I frankly find this one to be overly romantic and idealized. I agree and I too would leave a workplace where vague sentimentality gets you smashing success and concrete strategies get you bitch smacked and disregarded. |
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