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View Poll Results: Macross Frontier: Sayonara no Tsubasa Movie Rating | |||
Perfect 10 | 40 | 42.11% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 33 | 34.74% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 12 | 12.63% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 5 | 5.26% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 3 | 3.16% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 2 | 2.11% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 0 | 0% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 0 | 0% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 0 | 0% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 0 | 0% | |
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2011-02-26, 08:45 | Link #1081 | |
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That is why one cannot really say that the director had all the power in any movie, show they directed until we find out exactly how much power they really had. |
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2011-02-26, 08:46 | Link #1082 | |
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Present a FULL list of his works, and the results will be different. |
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2011-02-26, 08:47 | Link #1083 | |
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2011-02-26, 08:52 | Link #1085 | |
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Macross was not a manga that got adapted, so this does not stand on an equal ground. |
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2011-02-26, 08:52 | Link #1086 | |
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Agreed Not all of the time, CLAMP didn't get to provide much input for Tsubasa Chronicles (which is why it sucked, and became tedious). They don't have a hand in every one of their series that gets adapted. I don't think they had much input for the Xtv series either, or the Chobits anime, so yeah it varies. |
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2011-02-26, 08:53 | Link #1087 |
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Whatever, 5 out of 8 (removing Esca movie) or 6 out of 11 (adding Mac 7+detective show) is still over half of his shows from the last 15 years have had bittersweet endings. And I'm counting Arjuna as not bittersweet and that seems arguable.
What do Macross 7, Arjuna, Shanghai Dragon, Macross Frontier + detective show have in common aside from not being bittersweet. Over 50% of his shows from the last 15 years have a common theme. People go through periods, it's clear that if you look at Tomino works from Pre Brainpowered and after brainpowered there is a difference. |
2011-02-26, 08:53 | Link #1088 | ||
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2011-02-26, 08:59 | Link #1090 |
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^ Was that for the 500 meg avi or whatever? lmao
6 arguably 7 out of 17 is still a significant amount and you're ignoring that his recent shows have mostly finished the same way. If a VA went from voicing sweet onee sans for 10 years to spending the next 15 voicing mature villains guess which one she would be remembered for. (assuming no character from the first ten years eclipses the others) |
2011-02-26, 09:03 | Link #1091 | |
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We can all say that maybe his works before that time was less in the vein of unresolved romances / bittersweet endings, but I think the body of work of pretty much the last two decades should say something about his preferred style. In any case, the next Macross series with Kawamoris involvement will be on probation with me, at least in the aspect of romance. You know what they say, fool me once, shame on you. Fool me over eighteen years, shame on me to the max. ^^ I guess I will try to focus more on the mecha aspect and universe building and on the music. I think it'll be difficult to build another character as awesome as Sheryl, anyway...
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2011-02-26, 09:03 | Link #1092 | |
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The only bad part about the box set is the movie itself. |
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2011-02-26, 09:03 | Link #1093 | |
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(Incidentally...I don't see anything bittersweet about the ending of Macross Frontier TV. It didn't get Alto and Sheryl together in a definitive way, but it ended happily for nearly all of the good guys.) |
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2011-02-26, 09:04 | Link #1094 |
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Westlo, yes, it is. You are going to point and laugh at my face anyway, so please go away.
I'm going to steal Yot-Chan from you for a moment, as nice as it is to have it re-affirmed that Animesuki Macross men will always lavish attentions on one another, no matter the reasons. Spoiler:
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2011-02-26, 09:09 | Link #1097 | |
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I don't count MF TV as bittersweet. My 5 out of 8 is for Zero, Esca, MFMovie, Aquariuon + Aquarion Movie, Arjuna can make that 6 out of 8... for shows he's had significant involvement in since Escaflowne...
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FYI I went from 1996 and up because that was his first bittersweet anime and since than over 50% of his productions, especially ones he's had control over have had bittersweet endings. |
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2011-02-26, 09:13 | Link #1098 | ||
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I know I'm splitting hairs here, kind of, but I think he's a creator with a variety of approaches, and so pigeonholing him as a "bittersweet" director does no one any favors...it doesn't help him, it doesn't help people who might be tempted to sample his shows. All it does is unfairly describe his output, and turn people off who might otherwise enjoy his shows. I dunno...maybe I'm just not gettin it. The ending of Escaflowne seemed perfectly appropriate to me, as did the ending of Frontier. I don't mind happy ending, bittersweet endings, or downright bleak and depressing endings, as long as they make sense to me in the context of the show. Macross generally does this. Even Zero wasn't impossible for me to swallow, although caused some indigestion an hour or so later. Quote:
Now if you want to say, "Over the last fifteen years of his thirty-two year career, half of Kawamori's shows have had bittersweet endings," fine. But that's very different from saying he's a "bittersweet director." Last edited by CrowKenobi; 2011-02-27 at 01:48. Reason: Don't double post, use the EDIT button instead... |
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2011-02-26, 09:20 | Link #1099 |
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Liking or not liking has nothing to do with it, I'm perfectly find with bittersweet endings when done well. I liked Escaflowne's and more than likely will like this one.
And people who want to watch Kawamori shows will generally watch his latest ones, which guess what? Are filled with bittersweet endings. Edit - For above post he was primarily involved in 4 shows from 79 to Escaflowne. Macross 82 DYRL 84 Macross Plus 94 Macross 7 94 Spring and Chaos as well I guess.. but considering what it was.. Saying I've cut half his career out sounds pretty bad... until you see the output. Edit 2 - Lol @ this going from "Hey Ranka fans Kawamori has done bittersweet endings before deal with it" to a breakdown of how much of Kawamori's career has contained bittersweet endings. Last edited by Westlo; 2011-02-26 at 09:37. |
2011-02-26, 09:21 | Link #1100 | |
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But if every show I was emotionally invested with him at the steering wheel ended up this way, then I think I can be excused if I say that I'll be very wary of investing myself into the next romance he throws at us in whatever project of his I end up watching next. Probably the next Macross series. And as I've said a few times today, for me the two continuities of series and movie are separate. I never connected emotionally as much with the movie as I did with the series, so the fate of movie Alto and Sheryl doesn't touch me as deeply as if it'd happened with their series counterparts. And I am still 100% sure that the fate of characters there and their romance ended up in a way I can stand fully behind.
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